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Network Storage Enclosures - Surf314 - 01-13-2011
Thinking about getting one for file sharing and backups, although I really don't need file sharing so much and the backups I would need to have a mac partition and a windows one. Can anyone tell me the pros and cons of getting one of these versus an external hard drive? I think I'd save quite a bit with just an external harddrive but wouldn't have the features or the safety of one of these in Raid 0. Also can you do partitions like I described in Raid 0?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822155003&nm_mc=EMC-IGNEFL011311&cm_mmc=EMC-IGNEFL011311-_-EMC-011311-Index-_-NetworkStorage(NAS)-_-22155003-L02A
Re: Network Storage Enclosures - HeK - 01-13-2011
NAS units are great. They are easy to configure, allow access by multiple machines and users and you can hide them so they don't get stolen.
That said, you may wish to look for a unit that supports at least four drives, so you can expand in the future.
DO NOT RUN IN RAID 0!!!!!!!
Depending on the unit, you can have multiple partitions on a NAS, but there really isn't any point. A nas works on a file-level so your workstations don't ever see the filesystem.
DO NOT RUN IN RAID 0!!!!!!!
Raid 1 is good, but you loose 50% of your storage. Some units offer raid 5, where you loose a single drive to parity but can recover from a single drive failure.
A good bet are devices like an HP Windows Home Server where they can do seamless background snapshots of all your windows PCs, offer NAS services and use virtual-disk groups (A type of advanced software raid) which offer extended protection from drive failures.
DO NOT RUN IN RAID 0!!!!!
Re: Network Storage Enclosures - [fr31ns]Karrde - 01-13-2011
You mean AID0 right?
Re: Network Storage Enclosures - Ertai - 01-13-2011
(01-13-2011, 11:16 AM)HeK link Wrote: NAS units are great. They are easy to configure, allow access by multiple machines and users and you can hide them so they don't get stolen.
That said, you may wish to look for a unit that supports at least four drives, so you can expand in the future.
DO NOT RUN IN RAID 0!!!!!!!
Depending on the unit, you can have multiple partitions on a NAS, but there really isn't any point. A nas works on a file-level so your workstations don't ever see the filesystem.
DO NOT RUN IN RAID 0!!!!!!!
Raid 1 is good, but you loose 50% of your storage. Some units offer raid 5, where you loose a single drive to parity but can recover from a single drive failure.
A good bet are devices like an HP Windows Home Server where they can do seamless background snapshots of all your windows PCs, offer NAS services and use virtual-disk groups (A type of advanced software raid) which offer extended protection from drive failures.
DO NOT RUN IN RAID 0!!!!!
listen to this and get a 4 drive one, then buy my hard drives to fill it.
Re: Network Storage Enclosures - Surf314 - 01-13-2011
(01-13-2011, 12:49 PM)Ertai link Wrote: [quote author=HeK link=topic=5351.msg192027#msg192027 date=1294935377]
NAS units are great. They are easy to configure, allow access by multiple machines and users and you can hide them so they don't get stolen.
That said, you may wish to look for a unit that supports at least four drives, so you can expand in the future.
DO NOT RUN IN RAID 0!!!!!!!
Depending on the unit, you can have multiple partitions on a NAS, but there really isn't any point. A nas works on a file-level so your workstations don't ever see the filesystem.
DO NOT RUN IN RAID 0!!!!!!!
Raid 1 is good, but you loose 50% of your storage. Some units offer raid 5, where you loose a single drive to parity but can recover from a single drive failure.
A good bet are devices like an HP Windows Home Server where they can do seamless background snapshots of all your windows PCs, offer NAS services and use virtual-disk groups (A type of advanced software raid) which offer extended protection from drive failures.
DO NOT RUN IN RAID 0!!!!!
listen to this and get a 4 drive one, then buy my hard drives to fill it.
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How much you selling them for and what's the life like on them?
Re: Network Storage Enclosures - Surf314 - 01-13-2011
Also the 4bays are out of my price range, the one I linked is about what I was looking to spend.
Edit: any suggestions in the under $200 range?
Re: Network Storage Enclosures - Mission Difficult - 01-13-2011
(01-13-2011, 08:47 PM)Surf314 link Wrote: Also the 4bays are out of my price range, the one I linked is about what I was looking to spend.
Edit: any suggestions in the under $200 range?
I have a Synology NAS and am really happy with it. Not sure if they have units under $200, but if you see one take notice.
Re: Network Storage Enclosures - Kirby - 01-14-2011
(01-13-2011, 09:02 PM)Mission Difficult link Wrote: [quote author=Surf314 link=topic=5351.msg192099#msg192099 date=1294969661]
Also the 4bays are out of my price range, the one I linked is about what I was looking to spend.
Edit: any suggestions in the under $200 range?
I have a Synology NAS and am really happy with it. Not sure if they have units under $200, but if you see one take notice.
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If I didn't have a dedicated PC that's leaps and bounds more expandable than a standalone NAS, It would be a Synology NAS I would own. A friend has one of the 4 bay ones, and I'm quite taken with it.
If he suddenly died I would break into his house that night and steal it.
Re: Network Storage Enclosures - Surf314 - 01-14-2011
Alright weighing the pros and cons I think you guys convinced me, the only thing is I'm trying to decide between the Synology DS211 and the DS 211j. Difference is 256 v. 128 megs RAM and 1.6 v 1.2 processor. Also $100. I'm only getting the 2 bay cuz it's all that I can afford and I guess running them in RAID 1.
Re: Network Storage Enclosures - Surf314 - 01-15-2011
Bought a DS211
Re: Network Storage Enclosures - Surf314 - 01-19-2011
I can log on to my NAS through the external web address when I'm on the same network but not when I'm on another network. Does this mean I'm having a problem with the ports or something?
Re: Network Storage Enclosures - Kirby - 01-19-2011
(01-19-2011, 03:33 PM)Surf314 link Wrote: I can log on to my NAS through the external web address when I'm on the same network but not when I'm on another network. Does this mean I'm having a problem with the ports or something?
Yes, port forwarding problem somewhere. Your networking gear is aware you're requesting local resources even when you use your external IP to access the device, so that's why it works.
Does it use port 80 or 443?
Re: Network Storage Enclosures - Surf314 - 01-19-2011
(01-19-2011, 04:39 PM)Kirby, the Spyro link Wrote: [quote author=Surf314 link=topic=5351.msg192865#msg192865 date=1295469182]
I can log on to my NAS through the external web address when I'm on the same network but not when I'm on another network. Does this mean I'm having a problem with the ports or something?
Yes, port forwarding problem somewhere. Your networking gear is aware you're requesting local resources even when you use your external IP to access the device, so that's why it works.
Does it use port 80 or 443?
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I think both
Re: Network Storage Enclosures - Mission Difficult - 01-19-2011
(01-19-2011, 07:39 PM)Surf314 link Wrote: [quote author=Kirby, the Spyro link=topic=5351.msg192883#msg192883 date=1295473190]
[quote author=Surf314 link=topic=5351.msg192865#msg192865 date=1295469182]
I can log on to my NAS through the external web address when I'm on the same network but not when I'm on another network. Does this mean I'm having a problem with the ports or something?
Yes, port forwarding problem somewhere. Your networking gear is aware you're requesting local resources even when you use your external IP to access the device, so that's why it works.
Does it use port 80 or 443?
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I think both
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It uses port 5000. Also, if you're using DSM 3.0 or higher you have the option to configure your router from the control panel. Take some time and look at everything in there. There's a lot of cool stuff in there.
Re: Network Storage Enclosures - Surf314 - 01-19-2011
(01-19-2011, 07:53 PM)Mission Difficult link Wrote: [quote author=Surf314 link=topic=5351.msg192907#msg192907 date=1295483955]
[quote author=Kirby, the Spyro link=topic=5351.msg192883#msg192883 date=1295473190]
[quote author=Surf314 link=topic=5351.msg192865#msg192865 date=1295469182]
I can log on to my NAS through the external web address when I'm on the same network but not when I'm on another network. Does this mean I'm having a problem with the ports or something?
Yes, port forwarding problem somewhere. Your networking gear is aware you're requesting local resources even when you use your external IP to access the device, so that's why it works.
Does it use port 80 or 443?
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I think both
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It uses port 5000. Also, if you're using DSM 3.0 or higher you have the option to configure your router from the control panel. Take some time and look at everything in there. There's a lot of cool stuff in there.
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Yea I used that, but a couple of things still seem to be failing.
Re: Network Storage Enclosures - HeK - 01-19-2011
(01-19-2011, 10:30 PM)Surf314 link Wrote: [quote author=Mission Difficult link=topic=5351.msg192910#msg192910 date=1295484815]
[quote author=Surf314 link=topic=5351.msg192907#msg192907 date=1295483955]
[quote author=Kirby, the Spyro link=topic=5351.msg192883#msg192883 date=1295473190]
[quote author=Surf314 link=topic=5351.msg192865#msg192865 date=1295469182]
I can log on to my NAS through the external web address when I'm on the same network but not when I'm on another network. Does this mean I'm having a problem with the ports or something?
Yes, port forwarding problem somewhere. Your networking gear is aware you're requesting local resources even when you use your external IP to access the device, so that's why it works.
Does it use port 80 or 443?
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I think both
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It uses port 5000. Also, if you're using DSM 3.0 or higher you have the option to configure your router from the control panel. Take some time and look at everything in there. There's a lot of cool stuff in there.
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Yea I used that, but a couple of things still seem to be failing.
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Got this worked out? Cause I can connect to the management portal from your external address.
Re: Network Storage Enclosures - Surf314 - 01-19-2011
My photostation and web access won't work, they both use port 80. Port 80 is forwarded correctly on my router so I think my ISP blocks it. I can't seem to figure out how to change the default port for those services though and my google foo is failing. It says that it can be changed on their wiki but doesn't say how.
Re: Network Storage Enclosures - Mission Difficult - 01-19-2011
(01-19-2011, 10:55 PM)Surf314 link Wrote: My photostation and web access won't work, they both use port 80. Port 80 is forwarded correctly on my router so I think my ISP blocks it. I can't seem to figure out how to change the default port for those services though and my google foo is failing. It says that it can be changed on their wiki but doesn't say how.
You might just have a terrible router. I had an issue where I would forward all the correct ports and it just refused to work because even though my router claimed to be forwarding ports it did no such thing.
Re: Network Storage Enclosures - Surf314 - 01-20-2011
(01-19-2011, 11:10 PM)Mission Difficult link Wrote: [quote author=Surf314 link=topic=5351.msg192932#msg192932 date=1295495700]
My photostation and web access won't work, they both use port 80. Port 80 is forwarded correctly on my router so I think my ISP blocks it. I can't seem to figure out how to change the default port for those services though and my google foo is failing. It says that it can be changed on their wiki but doesn't say how.
You might just have a terrible router. I had an issue where I would forward all the correct ports and it just refused to work because even though my router claimed to be forwarding ports it did no such thing.
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All my ports are working except 80, and supposedly that is a commonly blocked port by ISPs.
Edit: I think I figured it out, I added port 81 to my http web services and set up the forwarding on my router, let's see if that works.
Re: Network Storage Enclosures - Surf314 - 01-31-2011
Does anyone know how to backup/mirror a website on one of these?