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Re: Server Plugins - Dave - 08-15-2008
you are crime
dave is law.
Re: Server Plugins - CaffeinePowered - 08-15-2008
Class limit has been on the server for QUITE some time and you people start bitching now?
Class Limits is Great for...
- Class Updates, come heavy update, expect a limit of 3 on number 1
- Preventing some maps from utterly breaking, see 4 Engineers on Dustbowl, mach4, ect
- Keeping your team balanced, ref 4 snipers on ANY map
- Forcing a class on certain maps, like soldiers on Bball
The Mic Spam Plugin will be on #1, since its generally less of a problem there I'm putting the limit at 20 seconds and a mute, why?
- I'm sick of getting messaged to deal with someone, and Im sure other admins are too
- No, its not funny and no its not fun, you want to "DJ" how about you organize a time to do it on ventrilo? DJ vent night has a decent ring to it, then you don't have to worry about pissing others off the on server, seems like a fair compromise.
- Still allows you to play "short" clips
- I can set admin permissions on it so that if it is just 4 or 5 regulars an admin can "DJ" in game
Ill see about resetting sv_pure for TFT/FNF ONLY, its never going back unless I see patch release notes stating they fixed the issue, or a plugin that does it separately.
Re: Server Plugins - copulatingduck - 08-15-2008
(08-15-2008, 10:38 AM)CaffeinePowered link Wrote: Class limit has been on the server for QUITE some time and you people start bitching now?
- I'm sick of getting messaged to deal with someone, and Im sure other admins are too
- No, its not funny and no its not fun, you want to "DJ" how about you organize a time to do it on ventrilo? DJ vent night has a decent ring to it, then you don't have to worry about pissing others off the on server, seems like a fair compromise.
All of this. I get routinely called out every other day or so to deal with micspammers; it's getting old, but for now I have the time to deal with it. Once school starts back up in 2 weeks, I won't. This is not something I'm budging on.
Class Limits: They've been on for a long time. They're not coming off, drop the issue. The fact is when one team spams one class it effectively guarantees a win/loss for that team, depending on the situation. Don't give me this "good teams can deal" as during pub play, you'll never have that good team, so it just ends up frustrating people; I for one know if I saw a complete turtlefest on Dustbowl and I didn't have an organized team, I would just leave. People complained enough, so I made a config that allows admins to turn off class limits FOR THE CURRENT MAP. That's as far as I'll allow it to go though.
Re: Server Plugins - at0m - 08-15-2008
I should srsly rewrite my dynamic classlimit plugin for source. I don't think anyone would be interested in using it though
Re: Server Plugins - copulatingduck - 08-15-2008
(08-15-2008, 11:22 AM)at0m link Wrote: I should srsly rewrite my dynamic classlimit plugin for source. I don't think anyone would be interested in using it though
What's it capable of? If it could limit classes based on how many people are in the server, that would be awesome. If it could do other stuff too, that would be sweet. The old one we used could do that, but then it just stopped working properly for some reason.
Re: Server Plugins - CaffeinePowered - 08-15-2008
(08-15-2008, 11:22 AM)at0m link Wrote: I should srsly rewrite my dynamic classlimit plugin for source. I don't think anyone would be interested in using it though
Yes, we would
Re: Server Plugins - at0m - 08-15-2008
(08-15-2008, 11:43 AM)CopulatingDuck link Wrote: [quote author=at0m link=topic=1170.msg30838#msg30838 date=1218817330]
I should srsly rewrite my dynamic classlimit plugin for source. I don't think anyone would be interested in using it though
What's it capable of? If it could limit classes based on how many people are in the server, that would be awesome. If it could do other stuff too, that would be sweet. The old one we used could do that, but then it just stopped working properly for some reason.
[/quote]Thats exactly what it does. Its got a config file thats basically a matrix of lower bounds on population and upper bounds on each class for that population (so it'd be like if pop >0 the limits are one thing, >5 another, >10 another, etc.) The population levels were set in the config file, unlimited levels and fully customizable. I wrote it years ago for .id, it runs on all of our TFC server still I think. I have to relearn how to make plugins before I can do it though, since I don't think I can port it directly.
Guess I'll have to learn another programming language
I wrote that plugin originally as an exercise for myself to learn Small (the language HL1 adminmod plugins are written in), so learning the current language shouldn't be rough. I just need to find my source code, the zip file I've had on my website for years is corrupt...[edit] found my foxbot plugin code on the adminmod plugin archive, but I think the dynamic classlimit plugin was exclusive to .id so I'll have to poke them for a copy of it if I can't find it on my desktop when I get home from work [/edit]
Re: Server Plugins - ToiletDuck - 08-15-2008
(08-15-2008, 10:38 AM)CaffeinePowered link Wrote: Class limit has been on the server for QUITE some time and you people start bitching now?
it can't be that long if i've only been restricted for the first time yesterday (after trying to be a 4th demoman) ??? this was on #2 though, is it the same settings on #1?
Re: Server Plugins - CaffeinePowered - 08-15-2008
(08-15-2008, 01:50 PM)TDlove link Wrote: [quote author=CaffeinePowered link=topic=1170.msg30823#msg30823 date=1218814735]
Class limit has been on the server for QUITE some time and you people start bitching now?
it can't be that long if i've only been restricted for the first time yesterday (after trying to be a 4th demoman) ??? this was on #2 though, is it the same settings on #1?
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Duck has usually enforced 3 of anything on #2 and I've usually done 3 pyros on #1 since the update, no idea what Ain does on #3
I was planning on mirroring duck's limits at some point but people then get really bitching that they can't do RPSes, but I think I now know a way around that using executable configs for admins.
Re: Server Plugins - Neonie - 08-15-2008
(08-15-2008, 10:38 AM)CaffeinePowered link Wrote: Ill see about resetting sv_pure for TFT/FNF ONLY, its never going back unless I see patch release notes stating they fixed the issue, or a plugin that does it separately.
I'm down with that, even if it's only on certain nights for a certain amount of time, it's better then the time we currently get to use them (never).
Re: Server Plugins - Luca Shoal - 08-15-2008
I approve of the FNF & TFT thing as well.
And uhh...the class limits still break RPS Caff. We tried to tonight, and we couldn't cuz Pyro's were limited. It would be nice to turn those off on TFT & FNF as well :I
Re: Server Plugins - Versus - 08-15-2008
medics were too
Re: Server Plugins - Eschatos - 08-16-2008
(08-15-2008, 01:52 PM)CaffeinePowered link Wrote: [quote author=TDlove link=topic=1170.msg30885#msg30885 date=1218826251]
[quote author=CaffeinePowered link=topic=1170.msg30823#msg30823 date=1218814735]
Class limit has been on the server for QUITE some time and you people start bitching now?
it can't be that long if i've only been restricted for the first time yesterday (after trying to be a 4th demoman) ??? this was on #2 though, is it the same settings on #1?
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Duck has usually enforced 3 of anything on #2 and I've usually done 3 pyros on #1 since the update, no idea what Ain does on #3
I was planning on mirroring duck's limits at some point but people then get really bitching that they can't do RPSes, but I think I now know a way around that using executable configs for admins.
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As far as I'm concerned, you should NEVER tell people how to play.Â
Re: Server Plugins - Neonie - 08-16-2008
(08-16-2008, 08:15 AM)Eschatos link Wrote: [quote author=CaffeinePowered link=topic=1170.msg30886#msg30886 date=1218826353]
[quote author=TDlove link=topic=1170.msg30885#msg30885 date=1218826251]
[quote author=CaffeinePowered link=topic=1170.msg30823#msg30823 date=1218814735]
Class limit has been on the server for QUITE some time and you people start bitching now?
it can't be that long if i've only been restricted for the first time yesterday (after trying to be a 4th demoman) ??? this was on #2 though, is it the same settings on #1?
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Duck has usually enforced 3 of anything on #2 and I've usually done 3 pyros on #1 since the update, no idea what Ain does on #3
I was planning on mirroring duck's limits at some point but people then get really bitching that they can't do RPSes, but I think I now know a way around that using executable configs for admins.
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As far as I'm concerned, you should NEVER tell people how to play.Â
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Re: Server Plugins - CaffeinePowered - 08-16-2008
And as far as I'm concerned, its not fun when your team get steamrolled because four or five people decided they wanted to play sniper. Steamrolls are one of the fastest ways to empty a server of people and an admin's #1 job after rule enforcement is to keep the servers as full as possible as often as possible.
If you can't get enjoyment out of playing at least 2 different classes, you have a problem and should probably be playing a different game. Every TF game before TF2 has had class limits built in, why valve didn't build the cvars in is beyond me, but I'd really love something like Atom's dynamic class limits based on number of people.
At no point should more than 1/3 of your team be playing the same class
Re: Server Plugins - Luca Shoal - 08-16-2008
Well if we could set that, then I'd be all for it (barring RPS of course)
but aside from no more than 2-3 snipers? I'm not a big fan on limiting classes.
Re: Server Plugins - Master Shake - 08-17-2008
(08-16-2008, 10:15 AM)CaffeinePowered link Wrote: If you can't get enjoyment out of playing at least 2 different classes, you have a problem and should probably be playing a different game. Every TF game before TF2 has had class limits built in, why valve didn't build the cvars in is beyond me, but I'd really love something like Atom's dynamic class limits based on number of people.They probably didn't put it in because people don't like them. Valve is great at listening to feedback.
Re: Server Plugins - at0m - 08-17-2008
(08-17-2008, 10:21 AM)J-Master link Wrote: [quote author=CaffeinePowered link=topic=1170.msg31157#msg31157 date=1218899748]They probably didn't put it in because people don't like them. Valve is great at listening to feedback.
If you can't get enjoyment out of playing at least 2 different classes, you have a problem and should probably be playing a different game. Every TF game before TF2 has had class limits built in, why valve didn't build the cvars in is beyond me, but I'd really love something like Atom's dynamic class limits based on number of people.
[/quote]O RLY
Re: Server Plugins - Eschatos - 08-17-2008
(08-17-2008, 10:42 AM)at0m link Wrote: [quote author=J-Master link=topic=1170.msg31384#msg31384 date=1218986502]They probably didn't put it in because people don't like them. Valve is great at listening to feedback.
[quote author=CaffeinePowered link=topic=1170.msg31157#msg31157 date=1218899748]
If you can't get enjoyment out of playing at least 2 different classes, you have a problem and should probably be playing a different game. Every TF game before TF2 has had class limits built in, why valve didn't build the cvars in is beyond me, but I'd really love something like Atom's dynamic class limits based on number of people.
[/quote]O RLY
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YA RLY
Re: Server Plugins - CaffeinePowered - 08-17-2008
(08-17-2008, 10:21 AM)J-Master link Wrote: [quote author=CaffeinePowered link=topic=1170.msg31157#msg31157 date=1218899748]They probably didn't put it in because people don't like them. Valve is great at listening to feedback.
If you can't get enjoyment out of playing at least 2 different classes, you have a problem and should probably be playing a different game. Every TF game before TF2 has had class limits built in, why valve didn't build the cvars in is beyond me, but I'd really love something like Atom's dynamic class limits based on number of people.
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Protip: No one ever complained in TFC
Any dustbowl server admin with half a brain wouldn't allow more than 2 demos, unless they wanted shit to be utterly broken