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Re: Occupy Wall Street - CaffeinePowered - 10-20-2011
Since OWS is wide spread throughout various cities and states, they need to start pushing this at the state level, bypass congress
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_to_propose_amendments_to_the_United_States_Constitution
Re: Occupy Wall Street - Dtrain323i - 10-20-2011
(10-20-2011, 10:06 AM)Caffeine link Wrote: Since OWS is wide spread throughout various cities and states, they need to start pushing this at the state level, bypass congress
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_to_propose_amendments_to_the_United_States_Constitution
no way, lord only knows what new "rights" they'll dream up to add. And what parts of the first 10 they'll remove.
Re: Occupy Wall Street - Kirby - 10-20-2011
(10-20-2011, 10:06 AM)Caffeine link Wrote: Since OWS is wide spread throughout various cities and states, they need to start pushing this at the state level, bypass congress
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_to_propose_amendments_to_the_United_States_Constitution
Something tells me Congress wouldn't allow this. Because corruption cares not.
Re: Occupy Wall Street - CaffeinePowered - 10-20-2011
(10-20-2011, 11:28 AM)Kirby the Dick link Wrote: [quote author=Caffeine link=topic=6040.msg227679#msg227679 date=1319123161]
Since OWS is wide spread throughout various cities and states, they need to start pushing this at the state level, bypass congress
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_to_propose_amendments_to_the_United_States_Constitution
Something tells me Congress wouldn't allow this. Because corruption cares not.
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Historically the threat of it has compelled congress to act, if they want to say, enshrine campaign financing reform and the removal of corporate person-hood, getting anywhere near the 34 state threshold will force congress to act.
Re: Occupy Wall Street - k0ala - 10-20-2011
I wouldn't be surprised if some of the fight against abortion choice is really a legal smokescreen when they really want to avoid legal clarification of what is and isn't a "person"... and dressing it up in a religious subtext.
Re: Occupy Wall Street - Didzo - 10-20-2011
Relevant:
![[Image: 311031_2052589630476_1116581580_31749088...4972_n.jpg]](https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/311031_2052589630476_1116581580_31749088_878844972_n.jpg)
Re: Occupy Wall Street - Badgerman of DOOM - 10-20-2011
(10-20-2011, 11:19 AM)Dtrain323i link Wrote: [quote author=Caffeine link=topic=6040.msg227679#msg227679 date=1319123161]
Since OWS is wide spread throughout various cities and states, they need to start pushing this at the state level, bypass congress
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_to_propose_amendments_to_the_United_States_Constitution
no way, lord only knows what new "rights" they'll dream up to add. And what parts of the first 10 they'll remove.
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you mean the rights that the police shit all over anyways?
Re: Occupy Wall Street - DragonEkarus - 10-21-2011
So, who's gonna take bets on major rioting here? ....My guess is within the next.... oh ten to twenty years, tops. Cause we all know folks are just gonna sit around do shit till it's too late...
Re: Occupy Wall Street - loldollas - 10-21-2011
Fuck this 99% shit and you fuckers, off to start investing my way to the 1%!!! 8) 8) 8)
/blatant sarcasm
Re: Occupy Wall Street - Badgerman of DOOM - 10-21-2011
(10-21-2011, 10:39 AM)Funbuck$ link Wrote: Fuck this 99% shit and you fuckers, off to start investing my way to the 1%!!! 8) 8) 8)
/blatant sarcasm
lol, you go brother, voodoo economics will ensure your rise
Arise Chicken
Witch doctor = Reagan, neocons, and the super-rich
Aqua Teens and Carl = the Republicans and average citizens who have been fooled into voodoo economics (meatwad is the tea party)
Super Ultra Mega Chicken = the looming danger of a second Great Depression
Re: Occupy Wall Street - rumsfald - 10-21-2011
(10-19-2011, 07:09 PM)Surf314 link Wrote: I'm in business orgs now and I think the problem is becoming fairly obvious. We had a race to the bottom that Delaware won that made corporate laws super pro-management. There were good reasons and logic behind this decision initially. But the problem now is that management can make out like a bandit without being good at what they do. Then they make up new ways of doing even better, some legal and some not. Then they lobby politicians to let them push the envelope further and further.
The problem isn't really corporations, it's bad management of corporations.
Discuss the interactive effects of the GrammâLeachâBliley Act on the GlassâSteagall Act, how the free market responded, and how that relates to the Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission case.
Re: Occupy Wall Street - rumsfald - 10-24-2011
http://www.courant.com/news/connecticut/rick-green/hc-green-drugsearch--1022-20111022,0,4150328.column
I will leave it as an exercise to the viewer whether or not the behavior exhibited by those in authority helps to contribute to the sentiments expressed by OWS protestors.
Re: Occupy Wall Street - Surf314 - 10-24-2011
(10-21-2011, 03:49 PM)rumsfald link Wrote: [quote author=Surf314 link=topic=6040.msg227605#msg227605 date=1319069391]
I'm in business orgs now and I think the problem is becoming fairly obvious. We had a race to the bottom that Delaware won that made corporate laws super pro-management. There were good reasons and logic behind this decision initially. But the problem now is that management can make out like a bandit without being good at what they do. Then they make up new ways of doing even better, some legal and some not. Then they lobby politicians to let them push the envelope further and further.
The problem isn't really corporations, it's bad management of corporations.
Discuss the interactive effects of the GrammâLeachâBliley Act on the GlassâSteagall Act, how the free market responded, and how that relates to the Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission case.
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We barely touched on Sarbanes-Oxley. I hope this isn't on the final.
Re: Occupy Wall Street - spm201 - 10-25-2011
Can someone help me understand the movement better? To me this sounds like people complaining because other people are richer than them but I feel like it sounds that way because I'm missing something. Politicians corrupt = definitely yes, but what beef specifically do they have against the 1%?
Re: Occupy Wall Street - backfire - 10-26-2011
(10-25-2011, 11:51 PM)spm201 link Wrote: Can someone help me understand the movement better? To me this sounds like people complaining because other people are richer than them but I feel like it sounds that way because I'm missing something. Politicians corrupt = definitely yes, but what beef specifically do they have against the 1%?
I wanna say it has to do something with the large corporations and the government basically being in bed with each other, though I'm not sure why it wouldn't just be a "bring back free market" campaign and push to do away with the government bailing out corporations that should have simply died off due to horrible business management as they bloody well should.
Then again, I'm very poorly educated about any of these matters.
Re: Occupy Wall Street - spm201 - 10-26-2011
(10-26-2011, 02:53 AM)backfire link Wrote: [quote author=spm201 link=topic=6040.msg228424#msg228424 date=1319604669]"bring back free market" campaign and push to do away with the government bailing out corporations that should have simply died off due to horrible business management as they bloody well should.
Can someone help me understand the movement better? To me this sounds like people complaining because other people are richer than them but I feel like it sounds that way because I'm missing something. Politicians corrupt = definitely yes, but what beef specifically do they have against the 1%?
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^sounds like something I can get behind. God the gov just needs to get the hell out of the private sector and things would start improving.
Re: Occupy Wall Street - Dtrain323i - 10-26-2011
(10-25-2011, 11:51 PM)spm201 link Wrote: Can someone help me understand the movement better? To me this sounds like people complaining because other people are richer than them
You've summed it up in a nutshell. However, they do have a few nuggets of truth in their complaints. The best picture I've seen for the whole movement is this:
![[Image: tumblr_ltl5es63qP1qf4crco1_500.jpg]](http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ltl5es63qP1qf4crco1_500.jpg)
Re: Occupy Wall Street - k0ala - 10-26-2011
(10-25-2011, 11:51 PM)spm201 link Wrote: Can someone help me understand the movement better? To me this sounds like people complaining because other people are richer than them but I feel like it sounds that way because I'm missing something. Politicians corrupt = definitely yes, but what beef specifically do they have against the 1%?
You like graphs? I like graphs. Here's some graphs explaining how fucked we are.
http://www.businessinsider.com/what-wall-street-protesters-are-so-angry-about-2011-10/?op=1
1% of the country controls 40% of the wealth.
Big media is owned by the biggest companies, so it's a big problem getting the word out.
Sony owns CBS, Disney owns ABC, GE owns NBC. Fox News started out as a channel to get "The GOP point of view" in a newslike setting.
Michael Bloomberg was worth over $10 billion BEFORE he ran for mayor of New York.
Every time the student loan ceilings go up, universities raise their fees and tuitions by exactly that amount.
There's no risk for banks anymore because student loans are exempted from bankruptcy.
The deck is stacked against us.
Fuckin' Oakland PD rolled over the protest after softening them up with tear gas last night.
Call 911 for domestic violence there and the operator will laugh you off the line.
Disabled peaceful protesters? Motherfuckers roll out the SWAT trucks.
Like I said, I want to protest, but I don't want to risk my future with a criminal record.
Re: Occupy Wall Street - Dtrain323i - 10-26-2011
(10-26-2011, 10:23 AM)k0ala link Wrote: [quote author=spm201 link=topic=6040.msg228424#msg228424 date=1319604669]
Can someone help me understand the movement better? To me this sounds like people complaining because other people are richer than them but I feel like it sounds that way because I'm missing something. Politicians corrupt = definitely yes, but what beef specifically do they have against the 1%?
You like graphs? I like graphs. Here's some graphs explaining how fucked we are.
http://www.businessinsider.com/what-wall-street-protesters-are-so-angry-about-2011-10/?op=1
1% of the country controls 40% of the wealth.
so what? Wealth is not a finite pie. The 1% are not taking any money away from you.
Big media is owned by the biggest companies, so it's a big problem getting the word out.
Sony owns CBS, Disney owns ABC, GE owns NBC. Fox News started out as a channel to get "The GOP point of view" in a newslike setting.
you'd be more successful getting your word out to the local affiliates who have much more leeway on what they broadcast
Michael Bloomberg was worth over $10 billion BEFORE he ran for mayor of New York.
and despite the R next to his name he's a huge liberal.
Every time the student loan ceilings go up, universities raise their fees and tuitions by exactly that amount.
[img]http://I'm with you on this. It's artificial demand that was created. If you eliminate government student loans, tuition rates would plummet due to the drastically reduced demand.[/img]
There's no risk for banks anymore because student loans are exempted from bankruptcy.
[img]http://This happened because people were taking on the massive loans to go to law school and med school then immediately declaring bankruptcy when they graduated. However, it totally defeats the purpose of bankruptcy so I'm with you here too.[/img]
The deck is stacked against us.
Fuckin' Oakland PD rolled over the protest after softening them up with tear gas last night.
fuck the police commin straight from the underground.
Call 911 for domestic violence there and the operator will laugh you off the line.
Buy a gun so the only thing dispatch has to send is a hearse
Disabled peaceful protesters? Motherfuckers roll out the SWAT trucks.
Like I said, I want to protest, but I don't want to risk my future with a criminal record.
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Re: Occupy Wall Street - k0ala - 10-26-2011
(10-26-2011, 11:19 AM)Dtrain323i link Wrote: [quote author=k0ala link=topic=6040.msg228460#msg228460 date=1319642614]
[quote author=spm201 link=topic=6040.msg228424#msg228424 date=1319604669]
Can someone help me understand the movement better? To me this sounds like people complaining because other people are richer than them but I feel like it sounds that way because I'm missing something. Politicians corrupt = definitely yes, but what beef specifically do they have against the 1%?
You like graphs? I like graphs. Here's some graphs explaining how fucked we are.
http://www.businessinsider.com/what-wall-street-protesters-are-so-angry-about-2011-10/?op=1[/quote]
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Quote:1% of the country controls 40% of the wealth.I said "control". Wow, I didn't say they were taking money from me. I don't know where you got that.
so what? Wealth is not a finite pie. The 1% are not taking any money away from you.
Quote:Big media is owned by the biggest companies, so it's a big problem getting the word out.so they're just under the control of LOCAL fat cats because they have a smaller overhead budget and more beholden to continued local advertising which could be withheld if the businesses don't like the local channel anymore
Sony owns CBS, Disney owns ABC, GE owns NBC. Fox News started out as a channel to get "The GOP point of view" in a newslike setting.
you'd be more successful getting your word out to the local affiliates who have much more leeway on what they broadcast
Quote:Michael Bloomberg was worth over $10 billion BEFORE he ran for mayor of New York.I don't know what that word means. It sounds like you're telling me I should be cheering him on because you say he's on my side.
and despite the R next to his name he's a huge liberal.
Quote:Every time the student loan ceilings go up, universities raise their fees and tuitions by exactly that amount.No, then universities would go back to being something that only rich people could afford, everyone else gets to suffer a lifetime of bluecollar jobs.
I'm with you on this. It's artificial demand that was created. If you eliminate government student loans, tuition rates would plummet due to the drastically reduced demand.
Government assistance to help regular people study at universities was put in place for a reason.
Quote:fuck the police commin straight from the underground.What is this chest beating shit from you? I don't think cops are the enemy; I think it's pretty sick how all of a sudden walking on a sidewalk can be declared illegal and then the beatings start. But that what it's like to be homeless/minority/anything cops don't like, there are a lot of white people just now realizing that cops are assholes with guns.
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Buy a gun so the only thing dispatch has to send is a hearse