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Re: HEY LOOK SCOUT UPDATE ON THE 24TH - Vongore - 02-17-2009
(02-17-2009, 08:09 PM)Shoopfox link Wrote: http://www.buildersleagueunited.com/
Scout update's a spah D:
lolwat? That's awesome!
Re: HEY LOOK SCOUT UPDATE ON THE 24TH - ScottyGrayskull - 02-17-2009
Heh. I definitely see this weapon making lots of Scouts think they're snipers, like the flare gun did for the Pyro.
Re: HEY LOOK SCOUT UPDATE ON THE 24TH - Surf314 - 02-17-2009
(02-17-2009, 08:07 PM)Youporn.com link Wrote: i dont see why people think that letting classes be 'round' is good, thats like giving the sniper a way to defend himself at close range, its stupid.
TF2 is meant to be a fancy version of rock paper scissors, stop this 'give the pyro a long range weapon, let the heavy work well without a medic, let the medic steal health shit, they should have not updated dick. saying that im probably gonna use the new bat for shits n giggles.
The main problem is some classes are too situational. Â Most classes you can use in most situations without being useless. Â But some are too specific. Â It'd be fine if they were all too specific or if only maybe 3 were all around classes. Â But it seems the scout, sniper and engineer can easily be put into situations they are not effective based on the other teams playing or the environment. Â I definitely don't want to see a sentry with legs but I can see where they would want to round out characters instead of removing other characters "roundness."
Re: HEY LOOK SCOUT UPDATE ON THE 24TH - copulatingduck - 02-17-2009
Scout's only useless if there's engies or ridiculously small chokepoints. Otherwise he's one of the best/most versatile classes in the game...
Re: HEY LOOK SCOUT UPDATE ON THE 24TH - HeK - 02-17-2009
I hope the new bat won't crit as well. That should even it out a bit more.
Re: HEY LOOK SCOUT UPDATE ON THE 24TH - Spore - 02-17-2009
(02-17-2009, 10:03 PM)CopulatingDuck link Wrote: Scout's only useless if there's engies or ridiculously small chokepoints. Otherwise he's one of the best/most versatile classes in the game...
Good observation captain obvious, but a lot of TF2 play time is on Dustbowl and other maps like it where having scout is just for the lulz. This is a situational weapon that switches his area of effectiveness from maps like 2fort to the more densely packed levels.
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(02-17-2009, 10:34 PM)HeK link Wrote: I hope the new bat won't crit as well. That should even it out a bit more.
I'm guessing it will crit stunned people or else what the fuck is the point?
Re: HEY LOOK SCOUT UPDATE ON THE 24TH - CaffeinePowered - 02-17-2009
(02-17-2009, 10:36 PM)Spore link Wrote: Edit:
[quote author=HeK link=topic=2359.msg67381#msg67381 date=1234928089]
I hope the new bat won't crit as well. That should even it out a bit more.
I'm guessing it will crit stunned people or else what the fuck is the point?
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Stun heavy
Grab Intel
Stun Heavy again
???
Profit
Re: HEY LOOK SCOUT UPDATE ON THE 24TH - Badgerman of DOOM - 02-17-2009
The removal of the double jump cripples this weapon. A resounding do not want from me.
Re: HEY LOOK SCOUT UPDATE ON THE 24TH - zaneyard - 02-17-2009
like every other update, there will be someone on the internet to bitch about how OP it is, or how useless it is. The only other alternative is for valve to not make a game. not to mention the fact that you don't have to use the unlocks...
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Re: HEY LOOK SCOUT UPDATE ON THE 24TH - chronomaster - 02-17-2009
If Dave had his way, the United States would still be part of the British Colonial Empire.
That said, at least Scout still has his speed. Now, if the next weapon takes that away...
Re: HEY LOOK SCOUT UPDATE ON THE 24TH - cbre88x - 02-18-2009
(02-17-2009, 11:05 PM)zaneyard link Wrote: like every other update, there will be someone on the internet to bitch about how OP it is, or how useless it is. The only other alternative is for valve not to do the updates and unlocks. not to mention the fact that you don't have to use the unlocks...
Bingooo
Re: HEY LOOK SCOUT UPDATE ON THE 24TH - Radio Raheem - 02-18-2009
you dont have to use the unlocks true. but that doesnt stop the 9 pyros using the 50 health on backburner
Re: HEY LOOK SCOUT UPDATE ON THE 24TH - zaneyard - 02-18-2009
(02-18-2009, 01:18 AM)Radio Raheem link Wrote: you dont have to use the unlocks true. but that doesnt stop the 9 pyros using the 50 health on backburnerwhat 50 health? i dont see any 50 health..
Re: HEY LOOK SCOUT UPDATE ON THE 24TH - Ianki - 02-18-2009
(02-18-2009, 01:57 AM)zaneyard link Wrote: [quote author=Radio Raheem link=topic=2359.msg67410#msg67410 date=1234937896]what 50 health? i dont see any 50 health..
you dont have to use the unlocks true. but that doesnt stop the 9 pyros using the 50 health on backburner
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Radio never plays anymore, he missed that update.
Radio, come back, we miss you.
Re: HEY LOOK SCOUT UPDATE ON THE 24TH - Radio Raheem - 02-18-2009
ive been busy so i hardly play outside of scrims now. point if something is overpowered everyone will abuse it so saying you dont have to use it is a really bad answer. youll be the only guy on the server not doing it
Re: HEY LOOK SCOUT UPDATE ON THE 24TH - Squishy3 - 02-18-2009
(02-17-2009, 10:57 PM)Glenn link Wrote: The removal of the double jump cripples this weapon. A resounding do not want from me.You... DOUBLE JUMPER.
you offend me sir.
Re: HEY LOOK SCOUT UPDATE ON THE 24TH - Dave - 02-18-2009
scouts (me) rape on dustbowl. choke points for me, are just gathering points for targets.
Re: HEY LOOK SCOUT UPDATE ON THE 24TH - copulatingduck - 02-18-2009
(02-17-2009, 10:36 PM)Spore link Wrote: [quote author=CopulatingDuck link=topic=2359.msg67378#msg67378 date=1234926194]
Scout's only useless if there's engies or ridiculously small chokepoints. Otherwise he's one of the best/most versatile classes in the game...
Good observation captain obvious, but a lot of TF2 play time is on Dustbowl and other maps like it where having scout is just for the lulz. This is a situational weapon that switches his area of effectiveness from maps like 2fort to the more densely packed levels.
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Except it really doesn't. Sure, this is good for spamming a defensive chokepoint, but that was never the scout's problem. I thought the entire point of his unlocks was to make him more useful against sentry farms/walls of defense. This does neither, and makes him that much worse off for lack of a double jump.
Not that I ever agreed with creating weapons/balancing classes around 1 or 2 bad maps...
PS - if you want the scout to be more effective against walls of spam, I hear he already has better alternatives. Stand in respawn and try this in console:
Code:
join_class medicRe: HEY LOOK SCOUT UPDATE ON THE 24TH - Dave - 02-18-2009
(02-18-2009, 07:54 AM)CopulatingDuck link Wrote: [quote author=Spore link=topic=2359.msg67382#msg67382 date=1234928208]
[quote author=CopulatingDuck link=topic=2359.msg67378#msg67378 date=1234926194]
Scout's only useless if there's engies or ridiculously small chokepoints. Otherwise he's one of the best/most versatile classes in the game...
Good observation captain obvious, but a lot of TF2 play time is on Dustbowl and other maps like it where having scout is just for the lulz. This is a situational weapon that switches his area of effectiveness from maps like 2fort to the more densely packed levels.
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Except it really doesn't. Sure, this is good for spamming a defensive chokepoint, but that was never the scout's problem. I thought the entire point of his unlocks was to make him more useful against sentry farms/walls of defense. This does neither, and makes him that much worse off for lack of a double jump.
Not that I ever agreed with creating weapons/balancing classes around 1 or 2 bad maps...
PS - if you want the scout to be more effective against walls of spam, I hear he already has better alternatives. Stand in respawn and try this in console:
Code:
join_class medicOR get behind them like i do?
Re: HEY LOOK SCOUT UPDATE ON THE 24TH - Surf314 - 02-18-2009
I think the main problem with the scout is he was built around CTF maps but those don't really get any play. The bat should help him a bit in the other maps, although it could make him too powerful in Arena mode. Also having him stop Ubers is just wrong.
I mean seriously, the only class that can stop an uber dead? Sure pyros got the air blast but it's super tricky just to use it properly plus you got to get in close and survive. Having the scout baseball snipe ubers just sits wrong with me. Actually encouraging people to baseball snipe at all sits wrong with me. But I have to see how it plays.