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Re: Guess who's next? - Dave - 06-09-2008
If the pyro knows what its doing the soldier wont see it coming or going, you sneak the soldier flame it then run, at theleast it will retreat, at the most you get a flame kill, you shouldnt be in a 1v1 situation on tf2 anyway, especialy as a hit and run class.
Re: Guess who's next? - Luca Shoal - 06-09-2008
I figured it at least had a little to do with the TFC thing. I heard Pyro was a pretty bad class then, care to give a short list as to why Caff? I'm just curious really.
But yeah, I've learned to play Pyro well as my stats can attest to, hence why I wonder why people suck at it
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Re: Guess who's next? - CaffeinePowered - 06-09-2008
(06-09-2008, 01:56 PM)Luca Shoal link Wrote: I figured it at least had a little to do with the TFC thing. I heard Pyro was a pretty bad class then, care to give a short list as to why Caff? I'm just curious really.
But yeah, I've learned to play Pyro well as my stats can attest to, hence why I wonder why people suck at it
In TFC
Flames have no range
Flames do little damage
No Jumping ability
No Stopping Power
Shitty secondary nade
Slow
Basically in the change from TFC to TF2, they upped the pyro's speed a bit, and gave a HUGE buff to attrition damage from flames and the range on the flamethrower. The Incendiary Cannon, while awesome, had NO stopping power at all, its only saving grace was being able to hit people through walls.
Getting killed by a pryo in TFC, was paramount to being killed with a crowbar by any other class, a scout could easily run away and any other class should be able to beat him in 1v1 combat.
Re: Guess who's next? - Wedge - 06-09-2008
I don't really play Pyro much, just because Heavy is almost always superior. But still, I don't think I've ever killed as many people in as short as time with a Pyro. Just because crit fire the most lethal thing ever and can kill an entire group in seconds if you catch them in close quarters.
But yeah, in general I consider playing against Pyros a favourable matchup 1v1, and usually come out on top, since every class save for Heavy gets a range advantage, and a Heavy should be able to drop them before they get a chance to do any real damage.
Re: Guess who's next? - copulatingduck - 06-09-2008
(06-09-2008, 02:40 PM)Wedge link Wrote: I don't really play Pyro much, just because Heavy is almost always superior. But still, I don't think I've ever killed as many people in as short as time with a Pyro. Just because crit fire the most lethal thing ever and can kill an entire group in seconds if you catch them in close quarters.
But yeah, in general I consider playing against Pyros a favourable matchup 1v1, and usually come out on top, since every class save for Heavy gets a range advantage, and a Heavy should be able to drop them before they get a chance to do any real damage.
Heavy Minigun does more damage/second than the flamethrower... And he's got more Hp, and (usually) a medic glued to his ass. I'd call that a win for the HeavyÂ
Re: Guess who's next? - Wedge - 06-09-2008
(06-09-2008, 02:43 PM)copulatingduck link Wrote: [quote author=Wedge link=topic=460.msg11335#msg11335 date=1213040432]
I don't really play Pyro much, just because Heavy is almost always superior. But still, I don't think I've ever killed as many people in as short as time with a Pyro. Just because crit fire the most lethal thing ever and can kill an entire group in seconds if you catch them in close quarters.
But yeah, in general I consider playing against Pyros a favourable matchup 1v1, and usually come out on top, since every class save for Heavy gets a range advantage, and a Heavy should be able to drop them before they get a chance to do any real damage.
Heavy Minigun does more damage/second than the flamethrower... And he's got more Hp, and (usually) a medic glued to his ass. I'd call that a win for the HeavyÂ
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Ummm... I believe I said Heavy is better than Pyro and I play it more often... not sure what you're getting at.
Re: Guess who's next? - copulatingduck - 06-09-2008
(06-09-2008, 02:46 PM)Wedge link Wrote: [quote author=copulatingduck link=topic=460.msg11337#msg11337 date=1213040615]
[quote author=Wedge link=topic=460.msg11335#msg11335 date=1213040432]
I don't really play Pyro much, just because Heavy is almost always superior. But still, I don't think I've ever killed as many people in as short as time with a Pyro. Just because crit fire the most lethal thing ever and can kill an entire group in seconds if you catch them in close quarters.
But yeah, in general I consider playing against Pyros a favourable matchup 1v1, and usually come out on top, since every class save for Heavy gets a range advantage, and a Heavy should be able to drop them before they get a chance to do any real damage.
Heavy Minigun does more damage/second than the flamethrower... And he's got more Hp, and (usually) a medic glued to his ass. I'd call that a win for the HeavyÂ
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Ummm... I believe I said Heavy is better than Pyro and I play it more often... not sure what you're getting at.
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Hmmm.... I read 'since every class save for Heavy' and I guess I stopped reading after that. Sorry, I'm just super-sleepy right nao. Free points on Duck @ The Ship tonights!
Re: Guess who's next? - Luca Shoal - 06-09-2008
pfft, I can take out a Heavy 1v1 around half the time. Heavy turn to slow to take me out as I burninate :V.
Re: Guess who's next? - Vandamguy - 06-09-2008
(06-09-2008, 05:38 PM)Luca Shoal link Wrote: pfft, I can take out a Heavy 1v1 around half the time. Heavy turn to slow to take me out as I burninate :V.
the only thing limiting a heavys turn speed is the oppoenents arm. [me=Vandamguy]nulifies your point[/me]
oh what? i didnt know the boards could do that.
Re: Guess who's next? - Wedge - 06-09-2008
[me=Wedge]does unspeakable things[/me]
Hahahahaha, indeed.
Re: Guess who's next? - ainmosni - 06-09-2008
(06-09-2008, 05:46 PM)Vandamguy link Wrote: [quote author=Luca Shoal link=topic=460.msg11402#msg11402 date=1213051085]
pfft, I can take out a Heavy 1v1 around half the time. Heavy turn to slow to take me out as I burninate :V.
the only thing limiting a heavys turn speed is the oppoenents arm. [me=Vandamguy]nulifies your point[/me]
oh what? i didnt know the boards could do that.
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[me=ainmosni]can take out 99% of heavies when at close range..[/me]
If the pyros hit detection get fixed, and maybe a few tweaks it's going to be a very strong class... And I'm the guy that kills entire teams as pyro in maps as goldrush and dustbowl...
Re: Guess who's next? - Dave - 06-09-2008
[me=Dave] :new PYRO removes 80% of hidden spys, order now! [/me]
Re: Guess who's next? - CaffeinePowered - 06-09-2008
(06-09-2008, 06:35 PM)ainmosni link Wrote: [me=ainmosni]can take out 99% of heavies when at close range..[/me]
[me=Caffine]is part of that 1%, don't fuck with me when I play heavy[/me]
Re: Guess who's next? - cbre88x - 06-09-2008
What the hell is going on in this thread?
Re: Guess who's next? - Wedge - 06-09-2008
(06-09-2008, 06:35 PM)ainmosni link Wrote: [quote author=Vandamguy link=topic=460.msg11408#msg11408 date=1213051580]
[quote author=Luca Shoal link=topic=460.msg11402#msg11402 date=1213051085]
pfft, I can take out a Heavy 1v1 around half the time. Heavy turn to slow to take me out as I burninate :V.
the only thing limiting a heavys turn speed is the oppoenents arm. [me=Vandamguy]nulifies your point[/me]
oh what? i didnt know the boards could do that.
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[me=ainmosni]can take out 99% of heavies when at close range..[/me]
If the pyros hit detection get fixed, and maybe a few tweaks it's going to be a very strong class... And I'm the guy that kills entire teams as pyro in maps as goldrush and dustbowl...
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Pyro hit detection works fine (as fine as any other hit detection in the game at least), your range is just reduced when you are moving forward.
Re: Guess who's next? - Yomanz - 06-09-2008
Personally i enjoy the pyro more than the heavy. Great for catching people off guard and disrupting the enemy team. I've seen entire teams run away from one lone pyro in those tunnels on warpath. Not to mention a defensive pyro is very useful, one for taking out spies, and two for just running around and taking out any enemy concentrating on taking out your allies sentry and who doesn't take time to notice you. Also on any map with more than one exit, especially 2fort, it's easy to watch people going into your base, quickly get behind them and take them all out before they can react. I got amazing killing sprees on 2fort just because of that. Pyro is a very rewarding class if you take the time to learn it.
Re: Guess who's next? - cannedpeahes - 06-09-2008
I suggest you all read this thoroughly. Some of the best ideas I've heard brainstormed
Re: Guess who's next? - Wedge - 06-09-2008
(06-09-2008, 08:57 PM)cannedpeaches link Wrote: I suggest you all read this thoroughly. Some of the best ideas I've heard brainstormed
That's some neat stuff, funny how the pyro axe is basically what they implemented too.
Re: Guess who's next? - cannedpeahes - 06-10-2008
Valve needs to hire that guy immediately, and for lots and lots of money.
Re: Guess who's next? - KarthXLR - 06-10-2008
(06-09-2008, 08:57 PM)cannedpeaches link Wrote: I suggest you all read this thoroughly. Some of the best ideas I've heard brainstormedsome of that was great, other were horrific ideas.