(07-24-2013, 11:41 AM)FlyingMongoose link Wrote: [quote author=Eschatos link=topic=2632.msg269901#msg269901 date=1374683581]
[quote author=Elder link=topic=2632.msg269894#msg269894 date=1374673002]
please make it stop. Whats a good name for people that try to be very proactive and it just makes them come off as complete imbeciles? Because i have been seeing this stupidity for far too long.

(07-22-2013, 06:02 PM)Dtrain323i link Wrote: The reason we should just accept anybody is because the last thing the US needs right now is unskilled labor. There's a shortage of jobs as it is and adding more people the equation will add more strain to an already strained system. Secondly, most illegal immigrants come here and work only to send the money back home to their family. That money will not benefit the US economy.

Quote:Throughout the nation and in a wide range of industries, there is an urgent demand for workers trained in the STEM fields — science, technology, engineering and mathematics — yet there are not enough people with the necessary skills to meet that demand and help drive innovation.

Even more troubling, too few American students are achieving the levels of education required to secure jobs in innovation-based industries, especially students who have historically been underserved and underrepresented. The result compounds our economic problems, as many students fail to achieve their full individual potential and, as a country, we fail to achieve our full national economic potential. Every job in technology that is unfilled also means the loss of as many as five other jobs. It is a problem that ultimately affects everyone across the country.

As the company that spends more on research and development (R&D) than any other in the world, Microsoft sees these problems firsthand. Like companies across the information technology sector, we are opening up new jobs in the United States faster than we can fill them. We now have 6,000 open jobs in the country, an increase of 15 percent over the past year. Over 3,400 of these jobs are for researchers, developers and engineers, and this total has grown by 34 percent over the past 12 months.

(07-24-2013, 07:41 PM)rumbot link Wrote: [quote author=Dtrain323i link=topic=52.msg269841#msg269841 date=1374534143]
The reason we should just accept anybody is because the last thing the US needs right now is unskilled labor. There's a shortage of jobs as it is and adding more people the equation will add more strain to an already strained system. Secondly, most illegal immigrants come here and work only to send the money back home to their family. That money will not benefit the US economy.

Quote:Throughout the nation and in a wide range of industries, there is an urgent demand for workers trained in the STEM fields — science, technology, engineering and mathematics — yet there are not enough people with the necessary skills to meet that demand and help drive innovation.

Even more troubling, too few American students are achieving the levels of education required to secure jobs in innovation-based industries, especially students who have historically been underserved and underrepresented. The result compounds our economic problems, as many students fail to achieve their full individual potential and, as a country, we fail to achieve our full national economic potential. Every job in technology that is unfilled also means the loss of as many as five other jobs. It is a problem that ultimately affects everyone across the country.

As the company that spends more on research and development (R&D) than any other in the world, Microsoft sees these problems firsthand. Like companies across the information technology sector, we are opening up new jobs in the United States faster than we can fill them. We now have 6,000 open jobs in the country, an increase of 15 percent over the past year. Over 3,400 of these jobs are for researchers, developers and engineers, and this total has grown by 34 percent over the past 12 months.

(07-25-2013, 08:41 AM)LT Crow link Wrote: I wouldn't listen to them because those two business are both benefiting greatly from these programs.  There isn't a shortage of domestic workers that are capable of filling those slots they have.  There is a shortage of domestic workers that meet the requirements (some experience in the field and a degree that on average came with $40,000 of debt) that are willing do do the job at $32,000 a year. 

Let me give you a first hand example.  Catholic Health Initiatives- they own hospital systems, I used to work for them.  Last year they completely scrapped their IT Services Division, and replaced it with the contracting firm Wipro.  Wipro hired some of the employees CHI had let go to continue in their current roles contractors, some it did not.  Those it replaced with two hundred and some odd guest workers.  This contract (not just replacing people for contractors, they offshored the helpdesk- which straight eliminated jobs domestically, but is outside the scope of this argument) saved CHI $1.5 million over the next year.  No, I wasn't directly affected by this change, my job just became that much more frustrating because I had to deal with the contractors.

Now, Wipro is like the most inflammatory example- I heard them brought up specifically as a reason not to increase guest worker passes the last time the debate came up, because they routinely do shit like above.  And they don't bring super qualified people over, or even competent people over- once you have a Wipro contractor in your department, you're basically doing his job anyways, which means your productivity is up, so your corporate master still considers it a win.   

I'm sure Microsoft and IBM both aren't nearly as bad and have a sorta genuine interest in bringing real expertise into the US.  They have other hurdles for filling the job they have open that they even pay a competitive wage for: corporate culture.  Both these companies need more guest workers because their target recruitment pool already knows what's up- IBM has one of the carcinogenic leadership environments of any big US corporation, and they make you buy your own fucking office supplies.  And Microsoft is the giant soul crushing Windows machine.  These guestworker programs allow these corporations to sustain themselves without changing. 

So, no, I don't trust them when they say the need to bring in more outside people, because I know plenty of people domestically (including myself) who'd go work for them, if they'd just quit sucking at life (and raise non-executive wages).

(07-26-2013, 01:59 AM)TheDarkChief link Wrote: http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/07/25/heteronormative-burger-family-no-threat-to-lgbt-rights-tribunal-says-after-receiving-outrageous-complaint/

edit: im pretty sure this is for the lulz

(07-26-2013, 01:59 AM)TheDarkChief link Wrote: http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/07/25/heteronormative-burger-family-no-threat-to-lgbt-rights-tribunal-says-after-receiving-outrageous-complaint/

edit: im pretty sure this is for the lulz

(07-26-2013, 11:36 AM)FlyingMongoose link Wrote: [quote author=TheDarkChief link=topic=2632.msg269991#msg269991 date=1374821972]
http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/07/25/heteronormative-burger-family-no-threat-to-lgbt-rights-tribunal-says-after-receiving-outrageous-complaint/

edit: im pretty sure this is for the lulz

(07-27-2013, 01:36 AM)Dr. Zaius link Wrote: you guys can trade me your sonic for my a&w

oh wait our sonic just opened a week ago nvm

someone get me a white castle

(08-03-2013, 05:22 AM)WoahItsChooly link Wrote: Why did I dream about Kerbal Space Program last night?
I don't even own that game!

(08-03-2013, 09:08 AM)Elder link Wrote: [quote author=WoahItsChooly link=topic=2632.msg270290#msg270290 date=1375525377]
Why did I dream about Kerbal Space Program last night?
I don't even own that game!

(08-03-2013, 02:14 PM)versus link Wrote: only if you have a luigistache