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[Benito Mussolini]

the things you pointed out have no correlation to santa claus and 8 reindeer or christmas trees ... same thing with easter and bunny rabbit and eggs.. its fucking stupid lol

Definetly, your argument is worth 10 times mine. I lose this debate.

[Dave]

how very french of you

[Blues]

how very french of you

Freedom Fries.

[MrGrey]

I tend to find the people who refuse to celebrate holidays over silly details stupider than the people who just ride with it and enjoy the holidays/time with friends and family/time off/free shit.

Oh, btw, Christianity and Santa Claus, 35 and a half seconds in google.

Early Christian origins

A medieval fresco depicting St Nicholas from the Boyana Church, near Sofia, BulgariaSaint Nicholas of Myra is the primary inspiration for the Christian figure of Santa Claus. He was a 4th-century Greek Christian bishop of Myra in Lycia, a province of the Byzantine Anatolia, now in Turkey. Nicholas was famous for his generous gifts to the poor, in particular presenting the three impoverished daughters of a pious Christian with dowries so that they would not have to become prostitutes. He was very religious from an early age and devoted his life entirely to Christianity.

And, like all holidays, various cultures/similar figures were merged into one, more interesting character/holiday that was easier for the masses to remember than a history lesson.

Not believing ANYTHING in the bible makes the correlation impossible to detect.  sorry

[Blues]

Sometimes I read posts from you, and I wonder, if somewhere in your little world, you're trying to troll people. Unfortunately most of these situations are actually so nonsensical that I start to try to understand how or what you're saying, and instead give up and go "oh Mr.Grey".

[Greatbacon]

[quote author=Blues link=topic=2045.msg57996#msg57996 date=1230159668]
I tend to find the people who refuse to celebrate holidays over silly details stupider than the people who just ride with it and enjoy the holidays/time with friends and family/time off/free shit.

Oh, btw, Christianity and Santa Claus, 35 and a half seconds in google.

Early Christian origins

A medieval fresco depicting St Nicholas from the Boyana Church, near Sofia, BulgariaSaint Nicholas of Myra is the primary inspiration for the Christian figure of Santa Claus. He was a 4th-century Greek Christian bishop of Myra in Lycia, a province of the Byzantine Anatolia, now in Turkey. Nicholas was famous for his generous gifts to the poor, in particular presenting the three impoverished daughters of a pious Christian with dowries so that they would not have to become prostitutes. He was very religious from an early age and devoted his life entirely to Christianity.

And, like all holidays, various cultures/similar figures were merged into one, more interesting character/holiday that was easier for the masses to remember than a history lesson.

Not believing ANYTHING in the bible makes the correlation impossible to detect.  sorry
[/quote]Time to play spot the logical fallacy!  Today's example is a non sequitur!  For his role in today's show, Mr. Grey will be receiving a history lesson.

Christmas is commonly accepted as the birth of Jesus and in modern days, commercialism aside, is celebrated as such.  Although no one knows for sure upon what day exactly Jesus was born, most historians agree that December 25th was not that day.  This day was instead chosen during the time when Christianity was still a fairly small presence in the Roman empire and in an attempt to appeal to pagan worshipers, the powers at be of the church decided the holiday should be celebrated on Saturnalia, the Roman winter festival to honor Saturn.  Saturnalia was a time of merriment and festivities.  In many cases the masters of households would trade places with their servants for a day, donning work cloths and heading their servants whims.  There was also a large amount of gift giving involved in this holiday.  Looking back to the birth of Jesus and the three gifts of the magi, it is not so hard to see where the tradition of gift giving on Christmas has come from. 

Where Santa Claus comes in is his basis on Saint Nicholas and his association with gift giving.  With a history of giving gifts, and as a religious man, the connection between the religious holiday of Christmas and Santa Claus is not hard to make.  Although with the modern commercialization of Christmas it is easy to loose sight of the true meaning of Christmas and the spirit of giving and selflessness that Santa Claus is supposed to represent, the history is still there.  And it has jack shit to do with taking the bible as truth.

[Blues]

Okay, I'll be the first one to admit it. I was wrong Grey, you're a good troll, bacon ruined it for me.

[ainmosni]

[quote author=MrGrey link=topic=2045.msg58010#msg58010 date=1230163896]
[quote author=Blues link=topic=2045.msg57996#msg57996 date=1230159668]
I tend to find the people who refuse to celebrate holidays over silly details stupider than the people who just ride with it and enjoy the holidays/time with friends and family/time off/free shit.

Oh, btw, Christianity and Santa Claus, 35 and a half seconds in google.

Early Christian origins

A medieval fresco depicting St Nicholas from the Boyana Church, near Sofia, BulgariaSaint Nicholas of Myra is the primary inspiration for the Christian figure of Santa Claus. He was a 4th-century Greek Christian bishop of Myra in Lycia, a province of the Byzantine Anatolia, now in Turkey. Nicholas was famous for his generous gifts to the poor, in particular presenting the three impoverished daughters of a pious Christian with dowries so that they would not have to become prostitutes. He was very religious from an early age and devoted his life entirely to Christianity.

And, like all holidays, various cultures/similar figures were merged into one, more interesting character/holiday that was easier for the masses to remember than a history lesson.

Not believing ANYTHING in the bible makes the correlation impossible to detect.  sorry
[/quote]Time to play spot the logical fallacy!  Today's example is a non sequitur!  For his role in today's show, Mr. Grey will be receiving a history lesson.

Christmas is commonly accepted as the birth of Jesus and in modern days, commercialism aside, is celebrated as such.  Although no one knows for sure upon what day exactly Jesus was born, most historians agree that December 25th was not that day.  This day was instead chosen during the time when Christianity was still a fairly small presence in the Roman empire and in an attempt to appeal to pagan worshipers, the powers at be of the church decided the holiday should be celebrated on Saturnalia, the Roman winter festival to honor Saturn.  Saturnalia was a time of merriment and festivities.  In many cases the masters of households would trade places with their servants for a day, donning work cloths and heading their servants whims.  There was also a large amount of gift giving involved in this holiday.  Looking back to the birth of Jesus and the three gifts of the magi, it is not so hard to see where the tradition of gift giving on Christmas has come from. 

Where Santa Claus comes in is his basis on Saint Nicholas and his association with gift giving.  With a history of giving gifts, and as a religious man, the connection between the religious holiday of Christmas and Santa Claus is not hard to make.  Although with the modern commercialization of Christmas it is easy to loose sight of the true meaning of Christmas and the spirit of giving and selflessness that Santa Claus is supposed to represent, the history is still there.  And it has jack shit to do with taking the bible as truth.

tl;dr  Mr. Grey is an ignorant asshole.
[/quote]

Actually the morphing of Saint Nicholas into Santa came fairly late and wasn't linked to christmas at all at first... I don't know when this happened but I know this is something which happened either in england or in the US... I can't be bothered to look it up but we give presents on the birthday of Saint Nicholas (sinterklaas, dave make your slavery jokes now) which is the 5th of December. I don't know exactly who morphed Sinterklaas into Santa Clause or why and I can't be bothered to look it up but in non-english speaking countries the link between Saint Nicholas and Christmas is (or used to be) non-existant...

[Vandamguy]

coca-cola did it

ill need a wikipedia article or something to back me up on this.
but i do remember this from somewhere.


http://www.thecoca-colacompany.com/herit...santa.html

[CaffeinePowered]

I don't know exactly who morphed Sinterklaas into Santa Clause or why and I can't be bothered to look it up but in non-english speaking countries the link between Saint Nicholas and Christmas is (or used to be) non-existant...

Actually the Dutch did, Dutch immigrants in New York and Pennsylvania who brought it with them, this merged in with English/Victorian ideas of Christmas.

The earliest reference of a "Santa" is by poet/priest Clement Clarke Moore in his poem 'Twas the Night Before Christmas". In which he refers to the person as 'Saint Nicholas' in the European tradition.

The earliest image, that has lasted to this day, was done by German immigrant Thomas Nast.

Nast's Image

[Blues]

ITT: Mr.Grey gets schooled.

[MrGrey]

[quote author=MrGrey link=topic=2045.msg58010#msg58010 date=1230163896]
[quote author=Blues link=topic=2045.msg57996#msg57996 date=1230159668]
I tend to find the people who refuse to celebrate holidays over silly details stupider than the people who just ride with it and enjoy the holidays/time with friends and family/time off/free shit.

Oh, btw, Christianity and Santa Claus, 35 and a half seconds in google.

Early Christian origins

A medieval fresco depicting St Nicholas from the Boyana Church, near Sofia, BulgariaSaint Nicholas of Myra is the primary inspiration for the Christian figure of Santa Claus. He was a 4th-century Greek Christian bishop of Myra in Lycia, a province of the Byzantine Anatolia, now in Turkey. Nicholas was famous for his generous gifts to the poor, in particular presenting the three impoverished daughters of a pious Christian with dowries so that they would not have to become prostitutes. He was very religious from an early age and devoted his life entirely to Christianity.

And, like all holidays, various cultures/similar figures were merged into one, more interesting character/holiday that was easier for the masses to remember than a history lesson.

Not believing ANYTHING in the bible makes the correlation impossible to detect.  sorry
[/quote]Time to play spot the logical fallacy!  Today's example is a non sequitur!  For his role in today's show, Mr. Grey will be receiving a history lesson.

Christmas is commonly accepted as the birth of Jesus and in modern days, commercialism aside, is celebrated as such.  Although no one knows for sure upon what day exactly Jesus was born, most historians agree that December 25th was not that day.  This day was instead chosen during the time when Christianity was still a fairly small presence in the Roman empire and in an attempt to appeal to pagan worshipers, the powers at be of the church decided the holiday should be celebrated on Saturnalia, the Roman winter festival to honor Saturn.  Saturnalia was a time of merriment and festivities.  In many cases the masters of households would trade places with their servants for a day, donning work cloths and heading their servants whims.  There was also a large amount of gift giving involved in this holiday.  Looking back to the birth of Jesus and the three gifts of the magi, it is not so hard to see where the tradition of gift giving on Christmas has come from. 

Where Santa Claus comes in is his basis on Saint Nicholas and his association with gift giving.  With a history of giving gifts, and as a religious man, the connection between the religious holiday of Christmas and Santa Claus is not hard to make.  Although with the modern commercialization of Christmas it is easy to loose sight of the true meaning of Christmas and the spirit of giving and selflessness that Santa Claus is supposed to represent, the history is still there.  And it has jack shit to do with taking the bible as truth.

[/quote]

Repeat:  Not believing ANYTHING in the bible makes the correlation impossible to detect.  sorry

[Mission Difficult]

What the shit does any of this have to do with mrgrey trying to get someone else's password for something again?

[Dave]

What the shit does any of this have to do with mrgrey trying to get someone else's password for something again?

hes trying to get santas credit card details.

[MrGrey]

Blues is masterfully "schooling" me on how santa claus, elves, and reindeer correlate to the birth of jesus.. its quite interesting

[Blues]

Blues is masterfully "schooling" me on how santa claus, elves, and reindeer correlate to the birth of jesus.. its quite interesting

The whole thread is schooling you, you're just still attempting to troll (very poorly) and/or ignoring what people have posted.

[MrGrey]

no one is schooling me... im sitting here laughing at the attempts of you trying to persuade me to believe old folklore and superstitious nonsense.  You can state passages, stories, and fairy tales all you want... still doesnt make any sense.  So please continue, I'm getting great material for my next act.

[Dave]

your both arrogant asshats


and you shoud both shut up since this is an argument neityher of you can win

also

you suck cocks.

[Blues]

your both arrogant asshats


and you shoud both shut up since this is an argument neityher of you can win

also

you suck cocks.

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[Benito Mussolini]

Dave wins.