Neat stuff (non-lulz but interesting things)

[CaffeinePowered]

I think marriage went out the door sometime between Sinatra getting married/divorced 5 times and Brittany Spears being married for 24 hours to a high school friend

[Honest]

[quote author=Caffeine link=topic=1507.msg86051#msg86051 date=1243360133]
California just failed massively and upheld Prop 8, guess all you need to take away rights is a simple majority  :-\

That is pretty fail.

...that leaving the constitution unchanged would "result in public schools teaching our kids that gay marriage is okay," and that gays would "redefine marriage for everyone else."

and...? Stupid right wings.
[/quote]

Uh, gays corrupt children and kill puppies. Letting them get married is like sending them more puppies to kill and letting our children listen to Rock and Roll.

[Scary Womanizing Pig Mask]

On a strange tangent, I was actually just reading something a couple weeks ago in the NY Times magazine's question/interview segment (featuring the former governor of New Jersey who resigned after coming out of the closet) who talked about how Prop 8 was in a bizzaro way, one of the better things to happen to the gay rights. Not because of it's direct effects (which still are faceplam  veryworthy) but since it was what motivated a bunch of other states (like Iowa or Idaho, frankly I don't think there's a difference) to legalize after realizing just how backwards things are. Sort of step backwards, but then a some foward Now if only California could get that memo..

[Luca Shoal]

On the prop 8 thing, to quote from somebody on Furaffinity:

The court did not rule against Same Sex Marriages.

The court said the Californians have a right, through the ballot box, to change their constitution.

It fucking SUCKS that it happens to focus around same sex marriages, but the court case was never about same sex marriage - it was about how easy it was for voters to change the constitution. The court is constitutionally bound to uphold the process.

That is Democracy.

The justices said the 136-page majority ruling does not speak to whether they agree with Proposition 8 or believe it should be a part of the California Constitution.

Think about this - what would happen if the court had ruled otherwise? It would mean that the people of california would have their voter's rights dramatically reduced.




~different post~
Who voted for prop 8? Californians.
Who voted to ban same sex marriages? Californians.
Who had the majority in whether gays should have all the rights as non-gays? Californians.

Yet who are we attributing blame to? Courts.

It's like if dogs keep peeing and pooping in your lawn, and so what you do to solve the problem is go kick cats.

http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/756159/
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/756187/

[sarcasticsteve]

Damn, the furries make a good point...never thought of it that way...

[Surf314]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local...4667.story

Nun = get out of jail free

[Honest]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local...4667.story

Nun = get out of jail free

Seeing a Nun with a shit eating "I got away with it" smile is just creepy.

[Surf314]

I just noticed this:

"Marot was not charged in Forbes' death."
"Had Marot been found guilty of the traffic violation, she would have faced a fine."

Good to know that she didn't get fined for killing someone.

[Wedge]

To be fair, I'm pretty sure the people CAN'T change the constitution in many states and it's usually a somewhat involved process (how they work is a state by state affair I think), and most definitely not the Federal one.  Changing the constitution is not the same thing as enacting new laws, however for some reason this was the only option they had left? (I forget why)  I'm not really sure you should be able to amend a constitution with public votes, as that's supposed to be what your laws are measured on.  If you allow this, it is basically reduced to being a secondary set of laws to counteract other ones.  It seems like there should be a better way to do that.  However this is California, so it's hardly surprising.

[CaffeinePowered]

To be fair, I'm pretty sure the people CAN'T change the constitution in many states and it's usually a somewhat involved process (how they work is a state by state affair I think), and most definitely not the Federal one.  Changing the constitution is not the same thing as enacting new laws, however for some reason this was the only option they had left? (I forget why)  I'm not really sure you should be able to amend a constitution with public votes, as that's supposed to be what your laws are measured on.  If you allow this, it is basically reduced to being a secondary set of laws to counteract other ones.  It seems like there should be a better way to do that.  However this is California, so it's hardly surprising.

Its different in every state, but usually it requires a 2/3 super majority, for example I know for illinois both the state house and senate need a 2/3 super majority, followed by a 51% simple majority at the ballot box.

In California from what Aerox said its like Illinois but you can do either-or. If you do the ballot box, its just 51%, but if you go through the legislature, its a 66% majority. That's pretty fucked up right there.

[at0m]

I just noticed this:

"Marot was not charged in Forbes' death."
"Had Marot been found guilty of the traffic violation, she would have faced a fine."

Good to know that she didn't get fined for killing someone.

If they ran the light, she's not at fault. The teen who was driving was.

[Surf314]

[quote author=Surf314 link=topic=1507.msg86305#msg86305 date=1243448680]
I just noticed this:

"Marot was not charged in Forbes' death."
"Had Marot been found guilty of the traffic violation, she would have faced a fine."

Good to know that she didn't get fined for killing someone.

If they ran the light, she's not at fault. The teen who was driving was.
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True but the only people that were saying the teen ran the light were the nun and her friend.  The teen had corroboration from another driver.

[at0m]

[quote author=at0m link=topic=1507.msg86317#msg86317 date=1243451247]
[quote author=Surf314 link=topic=1507.msg86305#msg86305 date=1243448680]
I just noticed this:

"Marot was not charged in Forbes' death."
"Had Marot been found guilty of the traffic violation, she would have faced a fine."

Good to know that she didn't get fined for killing someone.

If they ran the light, she's not at fault. The teen who was driving was.
[/quote]

True but the only people that were saying the teen ran the light were the nun and her friend.  The teen had corroboration from another driver.
[/quote]2v2, classic he-said she-said. :/

[zaneyard]

[quote author=Surf314 link=topic=1507.msg86318#msg86318 date=1243451320]
[quote author=at0m link=topic=1507.msg86317#msg86317 date=1243451247]
[quote author=Surf314 link=topic=1507.msg86305#msg86305 date=1243448680]
I just noticed this:

"Marot was not charged in Forbes' death."
"Had Marot been found guilty of the traffic violation, she would have faced a fine."

Good to know that she didn't get fined for killing someone.

If they ran the light, she's not at fault. The teen who was driving was.
[/quote]

True but the only people that were saying the teen ran the light were the nun and her friend.  The teen had corroboration from another driver.
[/quote]2v2, classic he-said she-said. :/
[/quote]
2 nuns one teen?

[Honest]

[quote author=at0m link=topic=1507.msg86319#msg86319 date=1243451601]
[quote author=Surf314 link=topic=1507.msg86318#msg86318 date=1243451320]
[quote author=at0m link=topic=1507.msg86317#msg86317 date=1243451247]
[quote author=Surf314 link=topic=1507.msg86305#msg86305 date=1243448680]
I just noticed this:

"Marot was not charged in Forbes' death."
"Had Marot been found guilty of the traffic violation, she would have faced a fine."

Good to know that she didn't get fined for killing someone.

If they ran the light, she's not at fault. The teen who was driving was.
[/quote]

True but the only people that were saying the teen ran the light were the nun and her friend.  The teen had corroboration from another driver.
[/quote]2v2, classic he-said she-said. :/
[/quote]
2 nuns one teen?
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That was probably completely inappropriate, but I'm too angry at that nun's picture to care.



Look at that. OJ wasn't even that happy.

[fyre]

[quote author=zaneyard link=topic=1507.msg86320#msg86320 date=1243451839]
[quote author=at0m link=topic=1507.msg86319#msg86319 date=1243451601]
[quote author=Surf314 link=topic=1507.msg86318#msg86318 date=1243451320]
[quote author=at0m link=topic=1507.msg86317#msg86317 date=1243451247]
[quote author=Surf314 link=topic=1507.msg86305#msg86305 date=1243448680]
I just noticed this:

"Marot was not charged in Forbes' death."
"Had Marot been found guilty of the traffic violation, she would have faced a fine."

Good to know that she didn't get fined for killing someone.

If they ran the light, she's not at fault. The teen who was driving was.
[/quote]

True but the only people that were saying the teen ran the light were the nun and her friend.  The teen had corroboration from another driver.
[/quote]2v2, classic he-said she-said. :/
[/quote]
2 nuns one teen?
[/quote]

That was probably completely inappropriate, but I'm too angry at that nun's picture to care.



Look at that. OJ wasn't even that happy.
[/quote]

She and the woman to the right of her in the picture look inhuman. They would make great Doctor Who monsters. Nuns creep me out in general anyway.

[KarthXLR]

Nuns creep me out in general anyway.

I completely agree with this statement.

[fyre]

Nyle "Let The Beat Build"

This is pretty goddamn incredible.

[rumsfald]

[quote author=Karth is SPY link=topic=1507.msg86397#msg86397 date=1243467885]
[quote author=fyre link=topic=1507.msg86392#msg86392 date=1243466189]
Nuns creep me out in general anyway.

I completely agree with this statement.
[/quote]
Thank you for pulling religion into this like a complete douchebag.
[/quote]

Oops, I did it again.

[sarcasticsteve]

It's kinda sad that the jury took the nun's side.  Seems like the teen had facts more on his side.