OH FUCK CLASSLESS UPDATE

[Versus]

they changed the achievement requirement

[Badgerman of DOOM]

they changed the achievement requirement

iluversus

[Fail Medic]

[quote author=Fail Rose link=topic=3446.msg106220#msg106220 date=1250306137]
tf_overtime_nag = 1

Command does not exist
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wat

Oh well, irrelevant anyway because it's still happening on its own.  <3

[Kenny Strife]

Oh god KotH Rainbow.  It's a friggin' joke map.  Good to play as a joke, but it is not a map for so much as semi-serious play.  A new version, maybe, but keep that version on the server with all the other joke and gimmick maps.

Also, loss of a double jump was a laughable penalty for the ability to stun, since it almost always results in death for the stunned.  It'd be like giving the spy a knife that kills instantly from the front AND the back, at the expense of a speed reduction.  For what's being offered, the penalty is NOTHING.  And, hell, you take an extra 25% damage when you're stunned now (damage taken while stunned changed from 50% to 75%).  It's MORE deadly now.  Just because it comes with a real penalty is no reason to bawww.

[Wedge]

Well as for rotation stuff, I just want as much of dat 5 point cp on there as we can get.  So I'd like yukon since it's an official and VP's map was really nice too.

[Radio Raheem]

i assume you mean cp_follower? yeah that should definately be on rotation

[beep beep diglett]

Oh god KotH Rainbow.  It's a friggin' joke map.  Good to play as a joke, but it is not a map for so much as semi-serious play.  A new version, maybe, but keep that version on the server with all the other joke and gimmick maps.

Also, loss of a double jump was a laughable penalty for the ability to stun, since it almost always results in death for the stunned.  It'd be like giving the spy a knife that kills instantly from the front AND the back, at the expense of a speed reduction.  For what's being offered, the penalty is NOTHING.  And, hell, you take an extra 25% damage when you're stunned now (damage taken while stunned changed from 50% to 75%).  It's MORE deadly now.  Just because it comes with a real penalty is no reason to bawww.

only bad scouts need a stun to kill

30 hp is alot

[KarthXLR]

koth_nucleus  NEEDS TO BE ON ROTATION RIGHT NOW

This map is amazing!

[Kenny Strife]

only bad scouts need a stun to kill

30 hp is alot

There's a reason I'm not called Pedoscout, and I agree.  The scattergun is hella strong and the FaN is close (knockback's pretty nice, though, especially if you can use it to knock a fool into the line of fire, especially that of a sentry).  Still, stunning is pretty nice and when it's used it does pretty much guarantee a kill, unless you're so close that it only lasts a couple seconds.  Even if you use it as support and allow others to actually reap the benefits of your baseball sniping, stunned combatants are helpless while they watch the enemy bear down on them.  Better hope your teammates are there to bail you out.  And now stunned players take a quarter more damage than they did before.  Even though you can't stun ubers anymore, the Sandman is a powerful weapon, and if you're a decent scout loss of the double jump isn't traumatic.  Sure, double jumps are nice and useful but not as useful as the spherical roofie of doom.  I'd say in its old form it was a straight upgrade, even.  Now, if a scout chooses to use the power to practically doom a bonk victim to be someone's free kill (the scout's free kill or one of his teammates), they have a real penalty that makes the user weigh their options a little more.

[Badgerman of DOOM]

[quote author=dogmobile...?????? link=topic=3446.msg106408#msg106408 date=1250378540]

only bad scouts need a stun to kill

30 hp is alot

There's a reason I'm not called Pedoscout, and I agree.  The scattergun is hella strong and the FaN is close (knockback's pretty nice, though, especially if you can use it to knock a fool into the line of fire, especially that of a sentry).  Still, stunning is pretty nice and when it's used it does pretty much guarantee a kill, unless you're so close that it only lasts a couple seconds.  Even if you use it as support and allow others to actually reap the benefits of your baseball sniping, stunned combatants are helpless while they watch the enemy bear down on them.   Better hope your teammates are there to bail you out.  And now stunned players take a quarter more damage than they did before.  Even though you can't stun ubers anymore, the Sandman is a powerful weapon, and if you're a decent scout loss of the double jump isn't traumatic.  Sure, double jumps are nice and useful but not as useful as the spherical roofie of doom.  I'd say in its old form it was a straight upgrade, even.  Now, if a scout chooses to use the power to practically doom a bonk victim to be someone's free kill (the scout's free kill or one of his teammates), they have a real penalty that makes the user weigh their options a little more.
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Actually, loss of double jump was a big reason many didn't use it. Double jump is incredibly important to scooting.

[Moosendoo]

koth_nucleus  NEEDS TO BE ON ROTATION RIGHT NOW

This map is amazing!

Seconded.  Nucleus is easily the most fun koth/arena map.

[Versus]

uh stunned enemies take 50% more damage than before; before, they took 33% less damage than the current form; currently, stunned enemies take 25% less damage than a non-stunned enemy.

Math.

[Radio Raheem]

[copulatingduck]

koth owns, and the nag variable is amazing (it does work, or at least it was working in other servers I played on tonight to see what all the hubbub was about)

[shoopfox]

I like Arena but I have no urge to play it anymore. KOTH is so much more fun

[beep beep diglett]

uh stunned enemies take 50% more damage than before; before, they took 33% less damage than the current form; currently, stunned enemies take 25% less damage than a non-stunned enemy.

Math.

no u see sandman prevented 50% of 200% damage, so it actually only worked for a third of the time, so this new sandman, if we divide, prevents 122% of damage while stunned, which means it's still fucking annoying

[KarthXLR]

[quote author=Versus-pwny- link=topic=3446.msg106482#msg106482 date=1250401179]
uh stunned enemies take 50% more damage than before; before, they took 33% less damage than the current form; currently, stunned enemies take 25% less damage than a non-stunned enemy.

Math.

no u see sandman prevented 50% of 200% damage, so it actually only worked for a third of the time, so this new sandman, if we divide, prevents 122% of damage while stunned, which means it's still fucking annoying
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since when did the sandman have 200% damage?

[Kenny Strife]

If you would take 100 damage when not stunned, if you stunned under the old rules you could take 50.  Now when you're stunned, you take 75.


75 > 50

[CaffeinePowered]

i assume you mean cp_follower? yeah that should definately be on rotation

Actually he made another 5 CP called Indulge that we did on Tuesday

[Mr. Face]

[quote author=Versus-pwny- link=topic=3446.msg106482#msg106482 date=1250401179]
uh stunned enemies take 50% more damage than before; before, they took 33% less damage than the current form; currently, stunned enemies take 25% less damage than a non-stunned enemy.

Math.

no u see sandman prevented 50% of 200% damage, so it actually only worked for a third of the time, so this new sandman, if we divide, prevents 122% of damage while stunned, which means it's still fucking annoying
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Before my brains aslopedinate ???