Updates of the Week (ongoing discussion)

[backfire]

Merc link=topic=206.msg189882#msg189882 date=1293558989]
[quote author=Hobospartan link=topic=206.msg189879#msg189879 date=1293556922]
[quote author=Benito link=topic=206.msg189876#msg189876 date=1293554598]
[quote author=Kirby, the Ghost of Kritzmas Past link=topic=206.msg189868#msg189868 date=1293548737]
[quote author=Karth link=topic=206.msg189837#msg189837 date=1293510587]
I'm just sick of the new weapons in general, the new spy weps, the swords, buff banners, scout stuff, etc. It feels really cluttered.

Wahhh, I can customize my loadout to compliment my specific playstyle, wahh.



b)
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Fuck your degreaser
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Degreaser is op.  Give it the old airblast system, slower cycle, more ammo, and it would be fine, I think.
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Indeed, the old airblast system that ate through ammo would make it a nice sidegrade. Or perhaps reducing the afterburn even more, so it promotes the puff and sting method.
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The thing barely ever kills anyone from after burn as it is. Reduce the afterburn anymore and you'd basically have a heat cannon.

Giving it the old airblast system would be fine. It's not like afterburn is a fatal condition nowadays anyways since every single class is capable of combating it.

[beep beep diglett]

id like demo and sniper weapons that were actual sidegrades, like every other class gets. demo and sniper shit is just unbelievably bad, and promotes bad play. i honestly do not think the tf2 devs play demo or sniper at all.

[Kirby]

Merc link=topic=206.msg189882#msg189882 date=1293558989]
[quote author=Hobospartan link=topic=206.msg189879#msg189879 date=1293556922]
[quote author=Benito link=topic=206.msg189876#msg189876 date=1293554598]
[quote author=Kirby, the Ghost of Kritzmas Past link=topic=206.msg189868#msg189868 date=1293548737]
[quote author=Karth link=topic=206.msg189837#msg189837 date=1293510587]
I'm just sick of the new weapons in general, the new spy weps, the swords, buff banners, scout stuff, etc. It feels really cluttered.

Wahhh, I can customize my loadout to compliment my specific playstyle, wahh.



b)
[/quote]

Fuck your degreaser
[/quote]

Degreaser is op.  Give it the old airblast system, slower cycle, more ammo, and it would be fine, I think.
[/quote]

Indeed, the old airblast system that ate through ammo would make it a nice sidegrade. Or perhaps reducing the afterburn even more, so it promotes the puff and sting method.
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You use DR, your input on anything Pyro related is invalid and biased, also not relevant because you use DR.

<3


Enthusiasts Timepiece is whar it's at.

[Eightball]

id like demo and sniper weapons that were actual sidegrades, like every other class gets. demo and sniper shit is just unbelievably bad, and promotes bad play. i honestly do not think the tf2 devs play demo or sniper at all.

"Hey Demomen, check out our new grenade launcher! It can only carry two shots, disintegrates uselessly, and still can't onehit scouts! This is for pro players only!"

[beep beep diglett]

[quote author=diglett link=topic=206.msg189901#msg189901 date=1293564330]
id like demo and sniper weapons that were actual sidegrades, like every other class gets. demo and sniper shit is just unbelievably bad, and promotes bad play. i honestly do not think the tf2 devs play demo or sniper at all.

"Hey Demomen, check out our new grenade launcher! It can only carry two shots, disintegrates uselessly, and still can't onehit scouts! This is for pro players only!"
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"Hey Snipers, check out our new Sniper Rifle! It removes the core mechanic of your class and gives you nothing in return! This is for noobs, oh wait you'll never learn to headshot and never get better at the game!"

[CaffeinePowered]

[quote author=Eightball link=topic=206.msg189915#msg189915 date=1293565889]
[quote author=diglett link=topic=206.msg189901#msg189901 date=1293564330]
id like demo and sniper weapons that were actual sidegrades, like every other class gets. demo and sniper shit is just unbelievably bad, and promotes bad play. i honestly do not think the tf2 devs play demo or sniper at all.

"Hey Demomen, check out our new grenade launcher! It can only carry two shots, disintegrates uselessly, and still can't onehit scouts! This is for pro players only!"
[/quote]

"Hey Snipers, check out our new Sniper Rifle! It removes the core mechanic of your class and gives you nothing in return! This is for noobs, oh wait you'll never learn to headshot and never get better at the game!"
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They could have just added a set of training wheels to the sniper rifle

[backfire]

[quote author=diglett link=topic=206.msg189901#msg189901 date=1293564330]
id like demo and sniper weapons that were actual sidegrades, like every other class gets. demo and sniper shit is just unbelievably bad, and promotes bad play. i honestly do not think the tf2 devs play demo or sniper at all.

"Hey Demomen, check out our new grenade launcher! It can only carry two shots, disintegrates uselessly, and still can't onehit scouts! This is for pro players only!"
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Ptth, screw that. Lochnload owns. Does need a bit of a buff, I'm thinkin chainshotting (as in get a hit, instant reload one pipe) but I do much better with a Loch/Targe/Head Taker loadout than I ever did with sticky spam and four pipes.

[beep beep diglett]

[quote author=Eightball link=topic=206.msg189915#msg189915 date=1293565889]
[quote author=diglett link=topic=206.msg189901#msg189901 date=1293564330]
id like demo and sniper weapons that were actual sidegrades, like every other class gets. demo and sniper shit is just unbelievably bad, and promotes bad play. i honestly do not think the tf2 devs play demo or sniper at all.

"Hey Demomen, check out our new grenade launcher! It can only carry two shots, disintegrates uselessly, and still can't onehit scouts! This is for pro players only!"
[/quote]
Ptth, screw that. Lochnload owns. Does need a bit of a buff, I'm thinkin chainshotting (as in get a hit, instant reload one pipe) but I do much better with a Loch/Targe/Head Taker loadout than I ever did with sticky spam and four pipes.
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its actually really really terrible since you lose a core mechanic (spam) and gain nothing in return. you should get a shitload more damage or just keep rollers with it since the lower clip capacity is nerf enough

[Versus]

[quote author=backfire link=topic=206.msg189921#msg189921 date=1293566339]
[quote author=Eightball link=topic=206.msg189915#msg189915 date=1293565889]
[quote author=diglett link=topic=206.msg189901#msg189901 date=1293564330]
id like demo and sniper weapons that were actual sidegrades, like every other class gets. demo and sniper shit is just unbelievably bad, and promotes bad play. i honestly do not think the tf2 devs play demo or sniper at all.

"Hey Demomen, check out our new grenade launcher! It can only carry two shots, disintegrates uselessly, and still can't onehit scouts! This is for pro players only!"
[/quote]
Ptth, screw that. Lochnload owns. Does need a bit of a buff, I'm thinkin chainshotting (as in get a hit, instant reload one pipe) but I do much better with a Loch/Targe/Head Taker loadout than I ever did with sticky spam and four pipes.
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its actually really really terrible since you lose a core mechanic (spam) and gain nothing in return. you should get a shitload more damage or just keep rollers with it since the lower clip capacity is nerf enough
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this

[backfire]

[quote author=diglett link=topic=206.msg189925#msg189925 date=1293566572]
[quote author=backfire link=topic=206.msg189921#msg189921 date=1293566339]
[quote author=Eightball link=topic=206.msg189915#msg189915 date=1293565889]
[quote author=diglett link=topic=206.msg189901#msg189901 date=1293564330]
id like demo and sniper weapons that were actual sidegrades, like every other class gets. demo and sniper shit is just unbelievably bad, and promotes bad play. i honestly do not think the tf2 devs play demo or sniper at all.

"Hey Demomen, check out our new grenade launcher! It can only carry two shots, disintegrates uselessly, and still can't onehit scouts! This is for pro players only!"
[/quote]
Ptth, screw that. Lochnload owns. Does need a bit of a buff, I'm thinkin chainshotting (as in get a hit, instant reload one pipe) but I do much better with a Loch/Targe/Head Taker loadout than I ever did with sticky spam and four pipes.
[/quote]

its actually really really terrible since you lose a core mechanic (spam) and gain nothing in return. you should get a shitload more damage or just keep rollers with it since the lower clip capacity is nerf enough
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this
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Still wondering why I'm doin better with it though. Maybe I just don't spam shit all over as regular demo enough.

[beep beep diglett]

the velocity increase makes the arc more similar to rockets than vanilla nades so it's basically easier to use

[Versus]

i spam a lot with demoman it owns

[beep beep diglett]

i named my gl "spam"!!! im so original and clever

[CaffeinePowered]

i spam a lot with demoman it owns

Demoman has always been about area denial, do you really want to run through that set of pipes about to explode on the ground?

[Versus]

i named my gl "spam"!!! im so original and clever

deal w/ it nerd

[K2]

I've been using Loch-and-Load a lot recently but mostly just as a handicap to keep things interesting.

[[SiN] Merc]

I've been using Loch-and-Load a lot recently but mostly just as a handicap to keep things interesting.

A handicap? That's what the Targe is for. Dohohoho.

[at0m]

Merc link=topic=206.msg189948#msg189948 date=1293573790]
[quote author=K2 link=topic=206.msg189941#msg189941 date=1293570222]
I've been using Loch-and-Load a lot recently but mostly just as a handicap to keep things interesting.

A handicap? That's what the Targe is for. Dohohoho.
[/quote]I thoroughly enjoy using the Targe with the Caber. It made Caff RAAAAAAAAAAAAGE last TFT.

[Chief]

[quote author=[SiN] Merc link=topic=206.msg189948#msg189948 date=1293573790]
[quote author=K2 link=topic=206.msg189941#msg189941 date=1293570222]
I've been using Loch-and-Load a lot recently but mostly just as a handicap to keep things interesting.

A handicap? That's what the Targe is for. Dohohoho.
[/quote]I thoroughly enjoy using the Targe with the Caber. It made Caff RAAAAAAAAAAAAGE last TFT.
[/quote]i fucking love my boom stick

[K2]

Merc link=topic=206.msg189948#msg189948 date=1293573790]
[quote author=K2 link=topic=206.msg189941#msg189941 date=1293570222]
I've been using Loch-and-Load a lot recently but mostly just as a handicap to keep things interesting.

A handicap? That's what the Targe is for. Dohohoho.
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If I'm playing against some truly awful pubbies I'll use them both. If you add in the Caber you'll have 60% resistance against flames.