Should I start smoking?

[Scary Womanizing Pig Mask]

Do it, just don't expect my tax dollars to help you out when you get lung cancer :S

[fyre]

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[quote author=fyre link=topic=2613.msg74208#msg74208 date=1238723701]

Also...my school has a smoke-free campus. What the hell is that about?

People don't want to get lung cancer?
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Or smell like second hand smoke?
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Smoke-free campus. Not smoke-free buildings. You can't smoke anywhere on the campus. Second-hand smoke is only harmful if you are repeatedly exposed to it in a closed environment. People smoking outside on campus harm no one. (Unless they throw their butts on the ground, but that is a different issue.)

[KarthXLR]

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[quote author=Eschatos link=topic=2613.msg74210#msg74210 date=1238724773]
[quote author=fyre link=topic=2613.msg74208#msg74208 date=1238723701]

Also...my school has a smoke-free campus. What the hell is that about?

People don't want to get lung cancer?
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Or smell like second hand smoke?
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Second-hand smoke is only harmful if you are repeatedly exposed to it in a closed environment.
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You kind of missed our point, but this brings up another issue. Smoking ANYWHERE, ANYTIME, ANYHOW, is bad for you. Even if it's not an immediate effect, I could guarantee you that it'll have a long term effect.



Also there's no such thing as a cool factor, just the douchebag meter.

[Mission Difficult]

If you want to smell like a bum go right ahead. Everyone that I know that smokes wants to quit because it's disgusting.

[Tragic Hero]

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I don't see what the big deal about smoking is.  I've been a smoker on and off since I was 21 and I'm just as healthy as I was before.  Just don't smoke a pack a day and you should be alright.

Umm...it's a long term effect, I believe.



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I'm aware its a long term effect thing but I know plenty of people into their 60s and 70s that have smoked all their lives and they don't have the voice boxes or rhaspy voice like the commercials show.  It's all about how you handle it I guess.

[fyre]

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[quote author=Ye Salty Karth link=topic=2613.msg74212#msg74212 date=1238724986]
[quote author=Eschatos link=topic=2613.msg74210#msg74210 date=1238724773]
[quote author=fyre link=topic=2613.msg74208#msg74208 date=1238723701]

Also...my school has a smoke-free campus. What the hell is that about?

People don't want to get lung cancer?
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Or smell like second hand smoke?
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Second-hand smoke is only harmful if you are repeatedly exposed to it in a closed environment.
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You kind of missed our point, but this brings up another issue. Smoking ANYWHERE, ANYTIME, ANYHOW, is bad for you. Even if it's not an immediate effect, I could guarantee you that it'll have a long term effect.



Also there's no such thing as a cool factor, just the douchebag meter.
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I'm not saying it's not bad for the person smoking, I'm saying people should be able to decide whether they want to smoke or not, because smoking outside away from the door harms no one except for the person smoking.

I think I'm somewhere in the middle of the douchebag meter, I mean I'm a bit of a douche, but I'm definitely not as bad as the guidos and frat boys.

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[quote author=Tragic Hero link=topic=2613.msg74205#msg74205 date=1238722620]
I don't see what the big deal about smoking is.  I've been a smoker on and off since I was 21 and I'm just as healthy as I was before.  Just don't smoke a pack a day and you should be alright.

Umm...it's a long term effect, I believe.
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I'm aware its a long term effect thing but I know plenty of people into their 60s and 70s that have smoked all their lives and they don't have the voice boxes or rhaspy voice like the commercials show.  It's all about how you handle it I guess.
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Oh yeah, totally. According to Wikipedia...

"Among male smokers, the lifetime risk of developing lung cancer is 17.2%; among female smokers, the risk is 11.6%. This risk is significantly lower in nonsmokers: 1.3% in men and 1.4% in women."

[Scary Womanizing Pig Mask]

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[quote author=Tragic Hero link=topic=2613.msg74205#msg74205 date=1238722620]
I don't see what the big deal about smoking is.  I've been a smoker on and off since I was 21 and I'm just as healthy as I was before.  Just don't smoke a pack a day and you should be alright.

Umm...it's a long term effect, I believe.



[/quote]

I'm aware its a long term effect thing but I know plenty of people into their 60s and 70s that have smoked all their lives and they don't have the voice boxes or rhaspy voice like the commercials show.  It's all about how you handle it I guess.
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Doesn't change the fact that it's proven to cause lung cancer and all other sorts of unsavory maladies.

[fyre]

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[quote author=Tragic Hero link=topic=2613.msg74205#msg74205 date=1238722620]
I don't see what the big deal about smoking is.  I've been a smoker on and off since I was 21 and I'm just as healthy as I was before.  Just don't smoke a pack a day and you should be alright.

Umm...it's a long term effect, I believe.



[/quote]

I'm aware its a long term effect thing but I know plenty of people into their 60s and 70s that have smoked all their lives and they don't have the voice boxes or rhaspy voice like the commercials show.  It's all about how you handle it I guess.
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Doesn't change the fact that it's proven to cause lung cancer and all other sorts of unsavory maladies.
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Not as much as they would like you to believe. I posted it above, but the percentage of male smokers who develop lung cancer is 17%, which is higher than the 1% for non-smokers, but it's nowhere near 100%.

[KarthXLR]

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[quote author=Tragic Hero link=topic=2613.msg74205#msg74205 date=1238722620]
I don't see what the big deal about smoking is.  I've been a smoker on and off since I was 21 and I'm just as healthy as I was before.  Just don't smoke a pack a day and you should be alright.

Umm...it's a long term effect, I believe.



[/quote]

I'm aware its a long term effect thing but I know plenty of people into their 60s and 70s that have smoked all their lives and they don't have the voice boxes or rhaspy voice like the commercials show.  It's all about how you handle it I guess.
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Doesn't change the fact that it's proven to cause lung cancer and all other sorts of unsavory maladies.
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Not as much as they would like you to believe. I posted it above, but the percentage of male smokers who develop lung cancer is 17%, which is higher than the 1% for non-smokers, but it's nowhere near 100%.
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You do realize, though, that you're trusting Wikipedia for this information, right?

[Tragic Hero]

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[quote author=Tragic Hero link=topic=2613.msg74205#msg74205 date=1238722620]
I don't see what the big deal about smoking is.  I've been a smoker on and off since I was 21 and I'm just as healthy as I was before.  Just don't smoke a pack a day and you should be alright.

Umm...it's a long term effect, I believe.



[/quote]

I'm aware its a long term effect thing but I know plenty of people into their 60s and 70s that have smoked all their lives and they don't have the voice boxes or rhaspy voice like the commercials show.  It's all about how you handle it I guess.
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Doesn't change the fact that it's proven to cause lung cancer and all other sorts of unsavory maladies.
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So?  Drinking alcohol has been proven to be fatal yet that doesn't stop most people does it?

It's funny how people categorize smoking as something severe yet they will brag about the massive amounts of alcohol they drink over the course of a weekend.  If people want to go on their high horse about not smoking to be "healthy" then maybe those people should worry about their other unhealthy vices.

[fyre]

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[quote author=Tragic Hero link=topic=2613.msg74205#msg74205 date=1238722620]
I don't see what the big deal about smoking is.  I've been a smoker on and off since I was 21 and I'm just as healthy as I was before.  Just don't smoke a pack a day and you should be alright.

Umm...it's a long term effect, I believe.



[/quote]

I'm aware its a long term effect thing but I know plenty of people into their 60s and 70s that have smoked all their lives and they don't have the voice boxes or rhaspy voice like the commercials show.  It's all about how you handle it I guess.
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Doesn't change the fact that it's proven to cause lung cancer and all other sorts of unsavory maladies.
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Not as much as they would like you to believe. I posted it above, but the percentage of male smokers who develop lung cancer is 17%, which is higher than the 1% for non-smokers, but it's nowhere near 100%.
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You do realize, though, that you're trusting Wikipedia for this information, right?
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Yes, but they are citing what appears to be a reputable source.

[fyre]

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[quote author=Tragic Hero link=topic=2613.msg74220#msg74220 date=1238726068]
[quote author=fyre link=topic=2613.msg74208#msg74208 date=1238723701]
[quote author=Tragic Hero link=topic=2613.msg74205#msg74205 date=1238722620]
I don't see what the big deal about smoking is.  I've been a smoker on and off since I was 21 and I'm just as healthy as I was before.  Just don't smoke a pack a day and you should be alright.

Umm...it's a long term effect, I believe.
[/quote]
I'm aware its a long term effect thing but I know plenty of people into their 60s and 70s that have smoked all their lives and they don't have the voice boxes or rhaspy voice like the commercials show.  It's all about how you handle it I guess.
[/quote]
Doesn't change the fact that it's proven to cause lung cancer and all other sorts of unsavory maladies.
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So?  Drinking alcohol has been proven to be fatal yet that doesn't stop most people does it?

It's funny how people categorize smoking as something severe yet they will brag about the massive amounts of alcohol they drink over the course of a weekend.  If people want to go on their high horse about not smoking to be "healthy" then maybe those people should worry about their other unhealthy vices.
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+1

It's also funny how people who drink think marijuana should be illegal. Despite the fact that alcohol is much, much more harmful than marijuana.

[Ianki]

http://www.avclub.com/articles/quit-smok...kid,26109/


Also, who the fuck cares if he smokes.  Jesus.  I like smoking, i don't necessarily want to quit smoking.  Hell, i even like the fact that my 2.50 in taxes per pack or whatever goes towards health care costs.  Still, the people who get angry and at the mere mention of cigarettes should just shut the hell up and let me enjoy my vice.  I don't stab hookers, i don't snort cocaine off the millions i made short selling stocks.  In the grand scheme of things, alchohol does more to harm society than cigarettes so i really wish society would stop making me feel like the asshole because i smoke outside.

[Scary Womanizing Pig Mask]

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[quote author=Tragic Hero link=topic=2613.msg74205#msg74205 date=1238722620]
I don't see what the big deal about smoking is.  I've been a smoker on and off since I was 21 and I'm just as healthy as I was before.  Just don't smoke a pack a day and you should be alright.

Umm...it's a long term effect, I believe.



[/quote]

I'm aware its a long term effect thing but I know plenty of people into their 60s and 70s that have smoked all their lives and they don't have the voice boxes or rhaspy voice like the commercials show.  It's all about how you handle it I guess.
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Doesn't change the fact that it's proven to cause lung cancer and all other sorts of unsavory maladies.
[/quote]

So?  Drinking alcohol has been proven to be fatal yet that doesn't stop most people does it?

It's funny how people categorize smoking as something severe yet they will brag about the massive amounts of alcohol they drink over the course of a weekend.  If people want to go on their high horse about not smoking to be "healthy" then maybe those people should worry about their other unhealthy vices.
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While I'll wholeheartedly agree about the foolhardiness and hypocricy of the binge drinker, the number of drinks it takes to start having adverse health effects and cigarettes you smoke is pretty different.

I don't mean to be the moral crusader though, anyone in societies private cigarette or drug use, is fine by me, provided I don't have to pay for their/suffer myself from the adverse effects (now that I reread that though, I kind of think that might makes me a dick >.<)

[KarthXLR]

http://www.avclub.com/articles/quit-smok...kid,26109/


Also, who the fuck cares if he smokes.  Jesus.  I like smoking, i don't necessarily want to quit smoking.  Hell, i even like the fact that my 2.50 in taxes per pack or whatever goes towards health care costs.  Still, the people who get angry and at the mere mention of cigarettes should just shut the hell up and let me enjoy my vice.  I don't stab hookers, i don't snort cocaine off the millions i made short selling stocks.  In the grand scheme of things, alchohol does more to harm society than cigarettes so i really wish society would stop making me feel like the asshole because i smoke outside.

I'm sorry dude, but I can't stand smoking. I know what stuff they put in there, the smoke smells nasty, and it's been proven unhealthy again, and again, and again! It's just a filthy habit to me, a filthy disgusting habit. I just wish that the corporate scumbags who sell this stuff will get a clue.

[Tragic Hero]

While I'll wholeheartedly agree about the foolhardiness and hypocricy of the binge drinker, the number of drinks it takes to start having adverse health effects and cigarettes you smoke is pretty different.

I don't mean to be the moral crusader though, anyone in societies private cigarette or drug use, is fine by me, provided I don't have to pay for their/suffer myself from the adverse effects (now that I reread that though, I kind of think that might makes me a dick >.<)

Don't worry, I knew where you were coming from.

And to Karth:  Can you honestly tell me you abstain from everything that is unhealthy to you?  Fast food?  You know those assholes who run the fast food corporations pretty much torture the animals they kill before they process them into "food".  Does that bother you?

Note:  Tragic Hero is not an advocate for PETA.  Just trying to make a point. 

Edit:  Forgot to make my point.  My point being that most corporate heads are evil.  Do you think Nike closed down their sweat shops because they felt guilty?  No, it was because they didn't want to lose business.  You know if (hypothetically) we didn't care about children losing fingers making our shoes for a nickel an hour Nike would still be running their sweat shops.  So to label tobacco big wigs as "evil" when they are trying to make money like any other corporation isn't really fair.

[Benito Mussolini]

Do it Fyre.

All the cool kids smoke.

Also goes with your personnality, you like old movies, and people used to smoke in those movies like chimneys. They look pretty badass to me.

[copulatingduck]

First thought when I saw the thread title was "Jesus what kind of asshole asks an internet forum if he should start smoking?"

[fyre]

If you do try it I'd recommend Clove's. 

I've heard of cloves, but I'm not sure what they are. Do they have any health benefits, or are they a better flavor, or what?

First thought when I saw the thread title was "Jesus what kind of asshole asks an internet forum if he should start smoking?"

[Radio Raheem]

i want to kick you in the testicles