Majors in College

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Thanks for the advice guys, its real helpful 

I do have one more question though. What do you do if you major in biology? Do you just sorta like... observe animals all day?

Jumping into the conversation a bit late. With just a bachelor's in biology, your options are fairly limited. You could find work in laboratories working for biotech firms or government labs. Most of the work you do will probably involve microbial cultures and gene analysis; there's certainly more to biology than that but so much also revolves around it. I landed a job for this summer at a USDA lab cataloging wood-damaging fungi. You don't need much to work the machines and gather data (tRFLP or GC/MS is what I'll mainly be doing), but more or less everyone in the laboratory has a PhD. With that bachelor's, if research isn't for you, then medical or pharmacy school are options. But let me emphasize that medical school isn't the sort of thing you should decide on last-second. And hey, biology's a younger science than just about any other. Many of the greatest developments in the field occurred within one human lifespan before now. It's a rapidly growing field.
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caveat about pharmd- it is a 6 year program
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Isn't that pretty much how long it takes to get a phd?
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uh

[Luca Shoal]

I have a Culinary degree. Don't bother with going to school if you have any desire to get into the industry. Just get into it and see if it's actually for you, and expect long hours, cuts, burns, etc. This is not a field to dabble in, you need to be dedicated and need to know it's for you before you even consider dropping the money for school, which you might not even need.

[Eightball]

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Thanks for the advice guys, its real helpful 

I do have one more question though. What do you do if you major in biology? Do you just sorta like... observe animals all day?

Jumping into the conversation a bit late. With just a bachelor's in biology, your options are fairly limited. You could find work in laboratories working for biotech firms or government labs. Most of the work you do will probably involve microbial cultures and gene analysis; there's certainly more to biology than that but so much also revolves around it. I landed a job for this summer at a USDA lab cataloging wood-damaging fungi. You don't need much to work the machines and gather data (tRFLP or GC/MS is what I'll mainly be doing), but more or less everyone in the laboratory has a PhD. With that bachelor's, if research isn't for you, then medical or pharmacy school are options. But let me emphasize that medical school isn't the sort of thing you should decide on last-second. And hey, biology's a younger science than just about any other. Many of the greatest developments in the field occurred within one human lifespan before now. It's a rapidly growing field.
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caveat about pharmd- it is a 6 year program
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Isn't that pretty much how long it takes to get a phd?
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Well, pharmacy school is generally 3-4 years but you'll probably have to do a residency before you're fully fledged. If you think that's bad, some medical specialties won't have you fully employed until you're over 30.

[Kor]

Or, if you think you're going to be a shitty student in general, go learn a trade(machinist, welder, surveyor, etc)- you'll contribute more to this planet, and probably make more money than if you half ass your way through college, rack up debt and end up in a shitty job.  

Word to the wise about trades: They're all Old Gentlemen's Clubs. Old Masters refuse to retire to make way for new blood. But Crow is right, the earning potential for the trades is actually higher than most 'white-collar' positions. As you get older, you don't specialize like they do, you generalize, until you've earned the right to be called Master in the entirety of your field.

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Or, if you think you're going to be a shitty student in general, go learn a trade(machinist, welder, surveyor, etc)- you'll contribute more to this planet, and probably make more money than if you half ass your way through college, rack up debt and end up in a shitty job.  

Word to the wise about trades: They're all Old Gentlemen's Clubs. Old Masters refuse to retire to make way for new blood. But Crow is right, the earning potential for the trades is actually higher than most 'white-collar' positions. As you get older, you don't specialize like they do, you generalize, until you've earned the right to be called Master in the entirety of your field.
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As a note, we had a few welders at the last company I was at making more than the company president/ceo, but they worked some ungodly OT/DT, doing 60 - 72 hours a week for 3 - 4 months, then just taking a full month off.

It was hard work, but they made bank doing it, anyone who says you can't make a good living off a skilled trade is full of shit.

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Or, if you think you're going to be a shitty student in general, go learn a trade(machinist, welder, surveyor, etc)- you'll contribute more to this planet, and probably make more money than if you half ass your way through college, rack up debt and end up in a shitty job.  

Word to the wise about trades: They're all Old Gentlemen's Clubs. Old Masters refuse to retire to make way for new blood. But Crow is right, the earning potential for the trades is actually higher than most 'white-collar' positions. As you get older, you don't specialize like they do, you generalize, until you've earned the right to be called Master in the entirety of your field.
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As a note, we had a few welders at the last company I was at making more than the company president/ceo, but they worked some ungodly OT/DT, doing 60 - 72 hours a week for 3 - 4 months, then just taking a full month off.

It was hard work, but they made bank doing it, anyone who says you can't make a good living off a skilled trade is full of shit.
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When I worked at Caterpillar, I had to work on Christmas Eve one year. Around 12:30 in the afternoon I was wandering through the pretty much empty plant when I happened across a maintenance guy. He had a welder, a wrench, and a scissor lift. He says to me "well, I have to go weld that pipe up there. It's going to take me 3 hours to go over the work order. Then I'll get my break. Then I'll go up in the lift and do the weld. That'll be about 15 minutes. Then I'm going to go read the paper."

Because he had hit his overtime for the week and it was a holiday he was making tripple time and a half. He was making about $150 per hour.

[Kor]

Because he had hit his overtime for the week and it was a holiday he was making tripple time and a half. He was making about $150 per hour.

Had he been Union, it would have been 300. :p

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Thanks for the advice guys, its real helpful 

I do have one more question though. What do you do if you major in biology? Do you just sorta like... observe animals all day?

Jumping into the conversation a bit late. With just a bachelor's in biology, your options are fairly limited. You could find work in laboratories working for biotech firms or government labs. Most of the work you do will probably involve microbial cultures and gene analysis; there's certainly more to biology than that but so much also revolves around it. I landed a job for this summer at a USDA lab cataloging wood-damaging fungi. You don't need much to work the machines and gather data (tRFLP or GC/MS is what I'll mainly be doing), but more or less everyone in the laboratory has a PhD. With that bachelor's, if research isn't for you, then medical or pharmacy school are options. But let me emphasize that medical school isn't the sort of thing you should decide on last-second. And hey, biology's a younger science than just about any other. Many of the greatest developments in the field occurred within one human lifespan before now. It's a rapidly growing field.
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caveat about pharmd- it is a 6 year program
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Isn't that pretty much how long it takes to get a phd?
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Well, pharmacy school is generally 3-4 years but you'll probably have to do a residency before you're fully fledged. If you think that's bad, some medical specialties won't have you fully employed until you're over 30.
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No Eightball, I can tell you this with absolute certainty- PharmD programs, which you need to be in if you want to become a Doctor of Pharmacy, takes 6 years. This is my major, I know what I'm talking about. There are technically 2-4 programs, but thankfully 0-6 programs are becoming more and more common (protip- favor 0-6 programs as you're actually guaranteed a slot in the program past the undergrad years (1-2) as compared to 2-4 programs, where they allow many applicants but not everyone will get in). Clinical rotations tend to be... end of Year 5- all of Year 6 if my memory is serving.

[Turtle]

My dad and his dad were both engineers and my uncle is also an engineer so

civil engineer is what i'd like to be

[Spore]

Turtle engineering bridges. Fuck.

[Kor]

Turtle engineering bridges between people's hearts. Jocularity!

[korkesh]

I am just finishing my first year in Computer Science major at Waterloo. I am also doing a minor in History, I will probably focus on medevil or European history.

[Eightball]

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No Eightball, I can tell you this with absolute certainty- PharmD programs, which you need to be in if you want to become a Doctor of Pharmacy, takes 6 years. This is my major, I know what I'm talking about. There are technically 2-4 programs, but thankfully 0-6 programs are becoming more and more common (protip- favor 0-6 programs as you're actually guaranteed a slot in the program past the undergrad years (1-2) as compared to 2-4 programs, where they allow many applicants but not everyone will get in). Clinical rotations tend to be... end of Year 5- all of Year 6 if my memory is serving.
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Don't really intend to draw this out, but uh:
The entry-level PharmD program prepares students for licensure as a pharmacist. The PharmD program constitutes four years of study. The first three years consist of mostly didactic course work covering principles of pharmaceutical sciences and pharmaceutical care. The fourth year is full-time professional experience. (OSU)

The professional curriculum leading to the Pharm.D. requires four years of study and admission into this program requires completion of the Pre-Pharmacy requirements. The entire curriculum is highly structured, allowing time for only a modest amount of elective study. Also, to complete the professional program in four years, students must consistently be successful in their completion of all of the required courses in each year of the program. (Purdue)

also 4-year pharm D program at UW-Madison.

I think I get that you're talking about integrated undergraduate and pharmacy training, but a majority of students will attend as postgraduates. Perhaps I wasn't clear earlier, it's 3-4 years after getting a bachelor's.

[Turtle]

Turtle engineering bridges. Fuck.

hey dude you ever played that game bridge basher on the ipod i have and guess what

my bridge dont break

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No Eightball, I can tell you this with absolute certainty- PharmD programs, which you need to be in if you want to become a Doctor of Pharmacy, takes 6 years. This is my major, I know what I'm talking about. There are technically 2-4 programs, but thankfully 0-6 programs are becoming more and more common (protip- favor 0-6 programs as you're actually guaranteed a slot in the program past the undergrad years (1-2) as compared to 2-4 programs, where they allow many applicants but not everyone will get in). Clinical rotations tend to be... end of Year 5- all of Year 6 if my memory is serving.
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Don't really intend to draw this out, but uh:
The entry-level PharmD program prepares students for licensure as a pharmacist. The PharmD program constitutes four years of study. The first three years consist of mostly didactic course work covering principles of pharmaceutical sciences and pharmaceutical care. The fourth year is full-time professional experience. (OSU)

The professional curriculum leading to the Pharm.D. requires four years of study and admission into this program requires completion of the Pre-Pharmacy requirements. The entire curriculum is highly structured, allowing time for only a modest amount of elective study. Also, to complete the professional program in four years, students must consistently be successful in their completion of all of the required courses in each year of the program. (Purdue)

also 4-year pharm D program at UW-Madison.

I think I get that you're talking about integrated undergraduate and pharmacy training, but a majority of students will attend as postgraduates. Perhaps I wasn't clear earlier, it's 3-4 years after getting a bachelor's.
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Yeah, after a bachelor's. However recently most students who want to go PharmD, do PharmD. Again, as I said, 2-4 and 0-6 programs exist. What you seem to have found is a lot of 2-4 programs- they keep the bachelor's and PharmD separate- you complete one then register. Some schools however offer 0-6 programs, which is what I am in. You are guaranteed a spot in the class of a 0-6 program, so long as you maintain the proper GPA (and in some cases (my school's case), an interview). There is no competition for spots. You technically don't get a bachelor's, you are just in the pharmacy program and completing the required coursework before heading into the professional years. Also it's not just preparatory, it's mandatory for licensure in the US.

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No Eightball, I can tell you this with absolute certainty- PharmD programs, which you need to be in if you want to become a Doctor of Pharmacy, takes 6 years. This is my major, I know what I'm talking about. There are technically 2-4 programs, but thankfully 0-6 programs are becoming more and more common (protip- favor 0-6 programs as you're actually guaranteed a slot in the program past the undergrad years (1-2) as compared to 2-4 programs, where they allow many applicants but not everyone will get in). Clinical rotations tend to be... end of Year 5- all of Year 6 if my memory is serving.
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Don't really intend to draw this out, but uh:
The entry-level PharmD program prepares students for licensure as a pharmacist. The PharmD program constitutes four years of study. The first three years consist of mostly didactic course work covering principles of pharmaceutical sciences and pharmaceutical care. The fourth year is full-time professional experience. (OSU)

The professional curriculum leading to the Pharm.D. requires four years of study and admission into this program requires completion of the Pre-Pharmacy requirements. The entire curriculum is highly structured, allowing time for only a modest amount of elective study. Also, to complete the professional program in four years, students must consistently be successful in their completion of all of the required courses in each year of the program. (Purdue)

also 4-year pharm D program at UW-Madison.

I think I get that you're talking about integrated undergraduate and pharmacy training, but a majority of students will attend as postgraduates. Perhaps I wasn't clear earlier, it's 3-4 years after getting a bachelor's.
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Yeah, after a bachelor's. However recently most students who want to go PharmD, do PharmD. Again, as I said, 2-4 and 0-6 programs exist. What you seem to have found is a lot of 2-4 programs- they keep the bachelor's and PharmD separate- you complete one then register. Some schools however offer 0-6 programs, which is what I am in. You are guaranteed a spot in the class of a 0-6 program, so long as you maintain the proper GPA (and in some cases (my school's case), an interview). There is no competition for spots. You technically don't get a bachelor's, you are just in the pharmacy program and completing the required coursework before heading into the professional years. Also it's not just preparatory, it's mandatory for licensure in the US.
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SHUT UP AND GIVE ME MY OXY

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No Eightball, I can tell you this with absolute certainty- PharmD programs, which you need to be in if you want to become a Doctor of Pharmacy, takes 6 years. This is my major, I know what I'm talking about. There are technically 2-4 programs, but thankfully 0-6 programs are becoming more and more common (protip- favor 0-6 programs as you're actually guaranteed a slot in the program past the undergrad years (1-2) as compared to 2-4 programs, where they allow many applicants but not everyone will get in). Clinical rotations tend to be... end of Year 5- all of Year 6 if my memory is serving.
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Don't really intend to draw this out, but uh:
The entry-level PharmD program prepares students for licensure as a pharmacist. The PharmD program constitutes four years of study. The first three years consist of mostly didactic course work covering principles of pharmaceutical sciences and pharmaceutical care. The fourth year is full-time professional experience. (OSU)

The professional curriculum leading to the Pharm.D. requires four years of study and admission into this program requires completion of the Pre-Pharmacy requirements. The entire curriculum is highly structured, allowing time for only a modest amount of elective study. Also, to complete the professional program in four years, students must consistently be successful in their completion of all of the required courses in each year of the program. (Purdue)

also 4-year pharm D program at UW-Madison.

I think I get that you're talking about integrated undergraduate and pharmacy training, but a majority of students will attend as postgraduates. Perhaps I wasn't clear earlier, it's 3-4 years after getting a bachelor's.
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Yeah, after a bachelor's. However recently most students who want to go PharmD, do PharmD. Again, as I said, 2-4 and 0-6 programs exist. What you seem to have found is a lot of 2-4 programs- they keep the bachelor's and PharmD separate- you complete one then register. Some schools however offer 0-6 programs, which is what I am in. You are guaranteed a spot in the class of a 0-6 program, so long as you maintain the proper GPA (and in some cases (my school's case), an interview). There is no competition for spots. You technically don't get a bachelor's, you are just in the pharmacy program and completing the required coursework before heading into the professional years. Also it's not just preparatory, it's mandatory for licensure in the US.
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SHUT UP AND GIVE ME MY OXY
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I'M NOT WILSON, HOUSE

[EarthlingJohn]

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Turtle engineering bridges. Fuck.

hey dude you ever played that game bridge basher on the ipod i have and guess what

my bridge dont break
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World Of Goo is a better sim :v

[Surf314]

I'm doing law and right now a lot of the good law jobs are in tech and science fields. If you really like engineering or science it's always a good option. I graduated Finance/Mass Comm undergrad but I'm now really wishing I had done engineering because most of the things I've been wanting to do require in depth knowledge of chemistry, physics, or engineering.

[Vongore]

Kinda late to the party, but i'm studying Journalism (Not sure if it's a career over there, i think it's a different name, if it is, please explain :3)

First thing you must know: Different Languages. It's full of Journalists around there, but not every single one of them knows more than 1 language, and in Journalism you have to know at least 2 and part of a third, because you'll be reading and hearing news all the time, and if you can go right to the source instead of waiting for some media on your language to cover it first it's a lot of +1s.

Second, you must love reading. You'll have to read the newspaper every single day, and not only read it, but understand every single subject that is being discussed, from politics to economy, even some parts of gossip, because even if you don't like it, your readers could.

Third, fast reading. They'll make you read, a lot. Last week i had to read "Lord of the Flies" (pretty common book though) for the following day, only the last class i had finished at 6PM and the test was on 8AM the following day. Now i have to read "La Chica del Crillón", "Brave New World" and "The last of everything" for Tuesday. I've already read Brave New World like a Bazillion times, but the point stands.

Also, you must have perfect grammar, one little mistake and it's a point less on your final score.

Besides that, Journalism is an easy career :>