Osama Bin Laden is dead

[shoopfox]

[quote author=[SiN] Merc link=topic=5604.msg205102#msg205102 date=1304386275]
Man, I leave for one day to work, and come back in the middle of a serious discussion. We need more blind patriotism up in here.

I'm here for some blind partriotism.


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I thought that was the dude from Alpha Flight at first

[[SiN] Merc]

[quote author=Vlambo link=topic=5604.msg205119#msg205119 date=1304390618]
[quote author=[SiN] Merc link=topic=5604.msg205102#msg205102 date=1304386275]
Man, I leave for one day to work, and come back in the middle of a serious discussion. We need more blind patriotism up in here.

I'm here for some blind partriotism.


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awesome.

[Dtrain323i]

[quote author=rumsfald link=topic=5604.msg205092#msg205092 date=1304383031]
I'll just leave this here.

And, while I'm glad such a hate-filled person as Osama can no longer work to attack innocent people, I'm very disappoint he wasn't taken out silently*. The first rule of Wetworks is you do not talk about Wetworks. 


*(well, aside from a trial, but that wasn't in the cards)

That's the thing. The govt. probably wants everyone to know we took him out. Be it for Obama's political rating/stature amongst the nations/proving points/ect. Why else would he make a big fucking announcement about it?

Now the real question for me is how Pakistan takes this news. The fact that we pulled a huge (in size) mission in their territory and it was made extremely public. Going to be an interesting month.
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Pakistan has some splainin to do. It came out today that bin laden had been at that compound for at least the last 5 years. The pakis were either too incompetant to figure that out or they were in on it.

[Kirby]

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[quote author=rumsfald link=topic=5604.msg205092#msg205092 date=1304383031]
I'll just leave this here.

And, while I'm glad such a hate-filled person as Osama can no longer work to attack innocent people, I'm very disappoint he wasn't taken out silently*. The first rule of Wetworks is you do not talk about Wetworks. 


*(well, aside from a trial, but that wasn't in the cards)

That's the thing. The govt. probably wants everyone to know we took him out. Be it for Obama's political rating/stature amongst the nations/proving points/ect. Why else would he make a big fucking announcement about it?

Now the real question for me is how Pakistan takes this news. The fact that we pulled a huge (in size) mission in their territory and it was made extremely public. Going to be an interesting month.
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Pakistan has some splainin to do. It came out today that bin laden had been at that compound for at least the last 5 years. The pakis were either too incompetant to figure that out or they were in on it.
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He was less than a dozen KM from the ISI headquarters as well, wasn't he?


Like they really didn't know about that. They aren't our fucking allies. We're just too pansy to step up and call this shit out in public. They have oil.

[cbre88x]

what kirby said. little chance considering the place he was found to be living is a decent sized city and a military hub. hell he could have been getting some weapons from there.

[Squishy3]

[quote author=Vlambo link=topic=5604.msg205119#msg205119 date=1304390618]
[quote author=[SiN] Merc link=topic=5604.msg205102#msg205102 date=1304386275]
Man, I leave for one day to work, and come back in the middle of a serious discussion. We need more blind patriotism up in here.

I'm here for some blind partriotism.


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[/quote]Spoilers: the Iron Patriot is Norman Osborn, more commonly known as the Green Goblin.

[A. Crow]

The more I hear about it, the more I agree with Rummy.  This is showing a distinct lack of Class. 

[Geoff]

Honestly, I don't really like celebrating the death of anyone, no matter what they did or were a part of or what have you. The end of something they stood for/something people came to see them as, yes. But their actual death? I don't really feel comfortable with that.

finally somebody agrees with me.  when i said this i was told i was a terrorist sympathizer.

[Wrath Of Sandvich]

1. Go on /V/
2. Hear Guile's theme
3. Cry manly tears of joy

[Luinbariel]

[quote author=Luinbariel link=topic=5604.msg205088#msg205088 date=1304377085]
Honestly, I don't really like celebrating the death of anyone, no matter what they did or were a part of or what have you. The end of something they stood for/something people came to see them as, yes. But their actual death? I don't really feel comfortable with that.

finally somebody agrees with me.  when i said this i was told i was a terrorist sympathizer.
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I wouldn't really worry too much about the folks who don't agree with you. If they want to be happy about it, that's their call I guess. You aren't a terrorist sympathizer because you don't want to celebrate death.

[Surf314]

I'm kind of ambivalent about this. I don't really think anything has changed except maybe Obama's chances of being re-elected. That article Rummy posted was right, we can't reclaim the pre-911 world, at least not yet.

[[SiN] Merc]

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[quote author=Vlambo link=topic=5604.msg205119#msg205119 date=1304390618]
[quote author=[SiN] Merc link=topic=5604.msg205102#msg205102 date=1304386275]
Man, I leave for one day to work, and come back in the middle of a serious discussion. We need more blind patriotism up in here.

I'm here for some blind partriotism.


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[/quote]Spoilers: the Iron Patriot is Norman Osborn, more commonly known as the Green Goblin.
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That's what makes it awesome.

[Kirby]

[quote author=geoff link=topic=5604.msg205172#msg205172 date=1304449324]
[quote author=Luinbariel link=topic=5604.msg205088#msg205088 date=1304377085]
Honestly, I don't really like celebrating the death of anyone, no matter what they did or were a part of or what have you. The end of something they stood for/something people came to see them as, yes. But their actual death? I don't really feel comfortable with that.

finally somebody agrees with me.  when i said this i was told i was a terrorist sympathizer.
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I wouldn't really worry too much about the folks who don't agree with you. If they want to be happy about it, that's their call I guess. You aren't a terrorist sympathizer because you don't want to celebrate death.
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Those who care, don't matter.
Those who matter, don't care.

[rumsfald]

He was less than a dozen KM from the ISI headquarters as well, wasn't he?

Like they really didn't know about that. They aren't our fucking allies. We're just too pansy to step up and call this shit out in public. They have oil.

No. Not oil. They are currently #57 on the list of proved oil reserves. behind such oil powerhouses as Guatemala, Equatorial Guinea, and Denmark.

The rumsfald intelligence network suggests the following: the Pakistani government did not know where OBL was hanging, but some elements of the ISI and Pakistani elite did know. It's no secret that the factions in Pakistan have been highly fractured. The Obama administration, in an infrequent move of grace, elected to NOT call out the incompetence and fractures in Pakistan right now in the same breath as the OBL mission. Rather, knowing the high propensity for leaks and/or tip offs, they moved first, alone, to wax OBL, and will try to help PK address the fractures and interior duplicity in the days/weeks to come. Now that OBL is gone, PK, a nuclear nation, will still play an important role in stabilizing Afghanistan and continuing to run down al Qaeda.

Also, India and Pakistan have been at each other for 50some years, and as the US position has been to not pick a winner in that fight, I don't think we're looking to change that now.

TLR version: we downplay Pakistani incompetence, and in return they look the other way as we fly in and out of their country to headshot OBL

[rumsfald]

The more I hear about it, the more I agree with Rummy.  This is showing a distinct lack of Class. 

Back in country, Crow, it is clear that POTUS went for the easy domestic boost rather than gambling that a silent whack or, dareIsay, show trial would have boosted international cred.

I've seen dozens of flags and "9-11, NEVER FORGET" suddenly appear on cars the last two days, while the international outrage is minimal. Obama took the lay-up instead of the risky 3-pointer.

I don't agree with the choice to advertise and publicize extrajudicial slayings, but the majority of the world doesn't seem to care. That's politics.

[Dr.CountrY]

"I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that" Martin Luther King, Jr.

[ZargonX]

"I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that" Martin Luther King, Jr.

Sorry to have to tell you this...

[A. Crow]

yeah, i've seen a little bit of the ?huge celebration this is causing back home? which also shows a lot of class. 

All I know, if I grabbed the trigger man who had just blown up some of my men 5 minutes before, disarmed him, and shot him in the head, I'd be going to Leavenworth. 

[Dr.CountrY]

[quote author=Dr.CountrY link=topic=5604.msg205236#msg205236 date=1304479086]
"I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that" Martin Luther King, Jr.

Sorry to have to tell you this...
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Better to not be ignorant. Thank you.

[HeK]

Also, India and Pakistan have been at each other for 50some years, and as the US position has been to not pick a winner in that fight, I don't think we're looking to change that now.

TLR version: we downplay Pakistani incompetence, and in return they look the other way as we fly in and out of their country to headshot OBL

Scuttlebutt hints at Pakistan taking a blind eye in exchange for support in upcoming conflict with a certain bordering power. /opsec.