League of Legends

[Surf314]

no offense but anyone who says cc is a poor design mechanic hasn't played many games or done any sort of game design

There is a difference between CC that is purpose oriented (escaping, interrupting, chasing, etc.) and CC that just becomes a mechanic to not have to fight certain champs. All you'd have to do to make it reasonable is make some changes to prevent it from being the focus of the game. In LoL CC wins games and I personally don't enjoy using CC and would like to be able to play without that handicapping myself. In other words I would like to be able to play non-CC champs without feeling like I'm going to make the team lose.

I honestly think in the current metagame CC is the most important aspect of your team composition.

Edit: I think I'm just going to rock quicksilver sash on every champ that isn't gangplank from now on.

[spm201]

It's stupid that you have to do this. Why have any other boots if those are the only ones worth getting.

Merc treads, banshee's veil, quiksilver sash, zhonya's hourglass. All legitimate items to avoid stuns.
Also play kennen and teemo with ghost and flash as summoner skills. Super GTFO status.

[zaneyard]

teams that rely heavily on cc have very little damage typically.
build defenses to counter it.

dota and lol are games that require you to think. don't play the most fragile ad carry with no escapes if you have a team that can shut you down long enough to run to the moon and back.

watch some competitive games and replays if you want to learn

if you're a priority target "ranged ad or ap burst", and you're getting cc'd to death, that's your fault. it's your fault for initiating on an enemy team when all their abilities are off cooldown. it's your fault for getting caught out of position.

sure, this makes the game "not fun" but that's the nature of a competitive game. learn the ranges, costs, and cooldowns of important abilities. be aware of your location relative to your enemies and your allies.

[Trace]

alternatively you can play draft mode  so that you and your team can see what's coming and pick/build accordingly

[Badgerman of DOOM]

oh and also cc is counterable, without it the fed ranged ad will be uncounterable

[Bonesinger]

no offense but anyone who says cc is a poor design mechanic hasn't played many games or done any sort of game design

I don't play League Of Legends but I thought this video was very relevant. As you can see CC stuns/snares are completely fair and are a sign of well thought out game design mechanics [1]

[1]
But hey what do I know. I have no expertise in being a 'video games idea guy', only level design.

[zaneyard]

lol

nerf sandman cooldown

[Badgerman of DOOM]

lol instant refreshes
lol it gets more challenging to defeat your enemy at their spawn for a reason (to prevent camping)
like that just bolstered my argument beyond the design issues present (namely instant refresh of ability), it makes something relatively uncounterable/incredibly difficult to counter (spawn camping) and makes it counterable

[Surf314]

Maybe it's just from playing solo queue but I've just been frustrated lately at how much CC wins games. The last game I played we went from a 20 kill and 3-4 tower to no tower advantage to a loss and it was entirely due to the other team having more CC and especially the massive CC of fiddle. And I was playing Xerath and always at the back but their team still managed to get past everyone and CC me to death everytime. I've been having too many games like that lately and it's been pissing me off.

So maybe I should restrict my argument to CC in normal solo is unbalanced.

[Surf314]

Just played fid and it was so much lols. E then Q then w and anyone that isn't coming with numbers is dead.

[If-I-Die-Its-Lag]

Maybe it's just from playing solo queue but I've just been frustrated lately at how much CC wins games. The last game I played we went from a 20 kill and 3-4 tower to no tower advantage to a loss and it was entirely due to the other team having more CC and especially the massive CC of fiddle. And I was playing Xerath and always at the back but their team still managed to get past everyone and CC me to death everytime. I've been having too many games like that lately and it's been pissing me off.

So maybe I should restrict my argument to CC in normal solo is unbalanced.

There's your problem. Some people in solo queue are idiots.

[zaneyard]

lol solo queue in a team game.

[spm201]

There's your problem. Some people in solo queue are idiots.

We should have premade brbu teams. Less chance of idiots.

[zaneyard]

[quote author=If-I-Die-Its-LAG! link=topic=3397.msg225740#msg225740 date=1317917447]
There's your problem. Some people in solo queue are idiots.

We should have premade brbu teams. Less chance of idiots.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Badgerman of DOOM]

[quote author=spm201 link=topic=3397.msg225745#msg225745 date=1317919026]
[quote author=If-I-Die-Its-LAG! link=topic=3397.msg225740#msg225740 date=1317917447]
There's your problem. Some people in solo queue are idiots.

We should have premade brbu teams. Less chance of idiots.
[/quote]
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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oh man dude my gut

[Vandamguy]

Just played fid and it was so much lols. E then Q then w and anyone that isn't coming with numbers is dead.

you Realise that this post  makes you a hypocritical cunt right?

[Trace]

He probably does  ;D

[spm201]

[quote author=zaneyard link=topic=3397.msg225746#msg225746 date=1317919288]
[quote author=spm201 link=topic=3397.msg225745#msg225745 date=1317919026]
[quote author=If-I-Die-Its-LAG! link=topic=3397.msg225740#msg225740 date=1317917447]
There's your problem. Some people in solo queue are idiots.

We should have premade brbu teams. Less chance of idiots.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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oh man dude my gut
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Seriously though, we should trade usernames. I'm tired of queueing up with pubbies.

[Trace]

People who play(Off the top of my head):
1Trace1
Zaneyard
HackarePro
Surf314
Stein
Ensign Epic
COUNTRYYYYYYYYYY
NiceguyJSK
Eschatos

[spm201]

People who play(Off the top of my head):
1Trace1
Zaneyard
HackarePro
Surf314
Stein
Ensign Epic
COUNTRYYYYYYYYYY
NiceguyJSK
Eschatos

Cool I'll add. I got the same name between all accounts.

[EDIT] Also screen still broke so probably won't be playing this weekend.