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[Didzo]

[quote author=Käse link=topic=5854.msg229468#msg229468 date=1320375794]
Wait, why would people who bomb abortion clinics be inclined to bomb labs?
Labs aren't exactly "killing babies" in their experiments...unless you're speaking of the baby rats/mice.

Speaking of radical animal rights activists, the cardio research lab I used to be in gave out little pamphlets directed towards those kinds of people. The front panel read "STOP ANIMAL RESEARCH" and inside there was a brief list of drugs and medical advancements that came about from animal testing. At the bottom there is a place for the reader to sign away their rights to use and benefit from the drugs listed. It's quite humorous and I'll try to scan and post mine sometime.

I meant religious fanatics.
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The people who bomb abortion clinics don't think that anyone is "playing God." They see abortion as murder of an innocent person and think that they are bringing some sort of justice by bombing the clinic.

Those people would not be interested in bombing a lab that wants to prevent aging.

In any case, these results are pretty neat but they don't say anything about actually extending life.

[Dtrain323i]

[quote author=Kor link=topic=5854.msg229460#msg229460 date=1320373051]
[quote author=Eightball link=topic=5854.msg229456#msg229456 date=1320370996]
[quote author=matter11 link=topic=5854.msg229455#msg229455 date=1320370009]
by people who are against it I mean people who bomb abortion clinics.

They won't be enough incentive to halt research. And I bet you a lot of these people will be clamoring for the drugs/treatment when they require use of them. It's pretty rare nowadays that societal context prevents scientific inquiry from going forward, but I guess federal mandates could bring about such an end...let's just hope that theological inclinations don't run that deeply in our government. :|
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Stem Cell research.
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Yeah, that's what was bugging me . So was it that all research into stem cell therapeutics was somehow banned or outlawed, or was federal funding simply cut? Because I imagine there are many private biomed firms that would pay big bucks to look into the field.
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The only thing that was eliminated was federal funding. There is nothing stopping private money from exploring the options. However, at least as far as I've seen, most of the money has been towards adult stem cells as opposed to fetal.

[matter11]

[quote author=matter11 link=topic=5854.msg229475#msg229475 date=1320377805]
[quote author=Käse link=topic=5854.msg229468#msg229468 date=1320375794]
Wait, why would people who bomb abortion clinics be inclined to bomb labs?
Labs aren't exactly "killing babies" in their experiments...unless you're speaking of the baby rats/mice.

Speaking of radical animal rights activists, the cardio research lab I used to be in gave out little pamphlets directed towards those kinds of people. The front panel read "STOP ANIMAL RESEARCH" and inside there was a brief list of drugs and medical advancements that came about from animal testing. At the bottom there is a place for the reader to sign away their rights to use and benefit from the drugs listed. It's quite humorous and I'll try to scan and post mine sometime.

I meant religious fanatics.
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The people who bomb abortion clinics don't think that anyone is "playing God." They see abortion as murder of an innocent person and think that they are bringing some sort of justice by bombing the clinic.

Those people would not be interested in bombing a lab that wants to prevent aging.

In any case, these results are pretty neat but they don't say anything about actually extending life.
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most (but not all) anti-abortion are religiously tied. I'm talking about extremists acting on what they believe in general.

[Didzo]

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WHERE'S YOUR FUCKING POINT?

Oh wait... This is a question thread. It's for asking questions, not making points.

SOMEONE HELP ME UNFLIP THE FUCKING TABLE.

[kaese]

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*sigh*
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[Didzo]

Thanks.

[Saxxy]

[quote author=Eightball link=topic=5854.msg229462#msg229462 date=1320373622]
[quote author=Kor link=topic=5854.msg229460#msg229460 date=1320373051]
[quote author=Eightball link=topic=5854.msg229456#msg229456 date=1320370996]
[quote author=matter11 link=topic=5854.msg229455#msg229455 date=1320370009]
by people who are against it I mean people who bomb abortion clinics.

They won't be enough incentive to halt research. And I bet you a lot of these people will be clamoring for the drugs/treatment when they require use of them. It's pretty rare nowadays that societal context prevents scientific inquiry from going forward, but I guess federal mandates could bring about such an end...let's just hope that theological inclinations don't run that deeply in our government. :|
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Stem Cell research.
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Yeah, that's what was bugging me . So was it that all research into stem cell therapeutics was somehow banned or outlawed, or was federal funding simply cut? Because I imagine there are many private biomed firms that would pay big bucks to look into the field.
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The only thing that was eliminated was federal funding. There is nothing stopping private money from exploring the options. However, at least as far as I've seen, most of the money has been towards adult stem cells as opposed to fetal.
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GW Bush did this weird thing where federal funding could only be used on the existing embryonic cell lines, of which there were 11 good ones, and then apparently this dropped down to zero by 2005 due to contamination of the lines (thanks wiki!).  Also I remember hearing that if you were working on non-approved lines, you couldn't use equipment that had been bought or partially funded by federal money (which would cover pretty much everything unless you're fully funded by an eccentric billionaire).  Basically he tried to please his religious constituents, while not completely shutting down research.  Politics!

The problem with private companies researching stem cells is that this is really really basic science, and your average investor would not likely live long enough to see a return.  So, we have this split between federal funding for big, blue-sky research, and private companies funding applied, market-driven research.  I think this goes back to WWII, and how we ended up with all these national labs and research centers, combined with trying to keep up with Soviet science. 

The system is somewhat broken, because even the big fed research projects are only funded on five year cycles, and private research is even more narrowly focused.  Also we spend such a tiny amount of money on R&D, even though we get such incredible benefits from research.  Well, at least we make interesting advances, whether the science is applied the right way is another story.  Case in point: the "green revolution" in crop development, where crop yields dramatically went up due to breeding and fertilizer usage.  Unfortunately, this extra food didn't go towards feeding the hungry, it just enabled massive population growth in the third world, the fattest fucking cows imaginable in America, and now ~one billion people are undernourished in the world.

I think I just argued against my science is good stance, o well :p

[matter11]

how long do you think it will be before nintendo introduces another 3ds with an improved design? How much time do you expect to pass before nintendo produces their next new-generation handheld?

[KarthXLR]

how long do you think it will be before nintendo introduces another 3ds with an improved design? How much time do you expect to pass before nintendo produces their next new-generation handheld?

Honestly, I think Nintendo might drop the 3DS in year or so. Otherwise, they're treading down Sony's path PSP-style.

[matter11]

[quote author=matter11 link=topic=5854.msg229693#msg229693 date=1320626521]
how long do you think it will be before nintendo introduces another 3ds with an improved design? How much time do you expect to pass before nintendo produces their next new-generation handheld?

Honestly, I think Nintendo might drop the 3DS in year or so. Otherwise, they're treading down Sony's path PSP-style.
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do you think they'll make another gameboy like they planned before the ds's success? supposedly they were gonna do it and market them at the same time.

[KarthXLR]

[quote author=Karth link=topic=5854.msg229699#msg229699 date=1320629831]
[quote author=matter11 link=topic=5854.msg229693#msg229693 date=1320626521]
how long do you think it will be before nintendo introduces another 3ds with an improved design? How much time do you expect to pass before nintendo produces their next new-generation handheld?

Honestly, I think Nintendo might drop the 3DS in year or so. Otherwise, they're treading down Sony's path PSP-style.
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do you think they'll make another gameboy like they planned before the ds's success? supposedly they were gonna do it and market them at the same time.
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Nah, they might never go back to a non-touch screen system.

[Vandamguy]

Imo handheld consoles are dead with the proliferation of gaming happening on touch screen smartphones

[CaffeinePowered]

Imo handheld consoles are dead with the proliferation of gaming happening on touch screen smartphones

I figure differently, without buttons, dpads, and the like, you're really limited on what you can do.

Jack of all trades, master of none. Sure it will play games, sure Angry birds is hugely popular on the platform, but if I want to play something with a bit more substance, I'm screwed.

[Vandamguy]

[quote author=Vandamguy link=topic=5854.msg229734#msg229734 date=1320662475]
Imo handheld consoles are dead with the proliferation of gaming happening on touch screen smartphones

I figure differently, without buttons, dpads, and the like, you're really limited on what you can do.

Jack of all trades, master of none. Sure it will play games, sure Angry birds is hugely popular on the platform, but if I want to play something with a bit more substance, I'm screwed.
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you'll have to agree that its becoming a niche market when since most parents aren't buying tire kids both an ipod touch and a 3ds

[KarthXLR]

[quote author=Caffeine link=topic=5854.msg229739#msg229739 date=1320668790]
[quote author=Vandamguy link=topic=5854.msg229734#msg229734 date=1320662475]
Imo handheld consoles are dead with the proliferation of gaming happening on touch screen smartphones

I figure differently, without buttons, dpads, and the like, you're really limited on what you can do.

Jack of all trades, master of none. Sure it will play games, sure Angry birds is hugely popular on the platform, but if I want to play something with a bit more substance, I'm screwed.
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you'll have to agree that its becoming a niche market when since most parents aren't buying tire kids both an ipod touch and a 3ds
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Don't most phones count as MP3 players these days? Plus, I'd imagine most kids (14 and under) probably don't care about an ipod just yet.

[matter11]

[quote author=Vandamguy link=topic=5854.msg229734#msg229734 date=1320662475]
Imo handheld consoles are dead with the proliferation of gaming happening on touch screen smartphones

I figure differently, without buttons, dpads, and the like, you're really limited on what you can do.

Jack of all trades, master of none. Sure it will play games, sure Angry birds is hugely popular on the platform, but if I want to play something with a bit more substance, I'm screwed.
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as long as pokemon rpg's are exclusive to handhelds I think they won't be leaving. Nintendo probably could have released pokemon red and blue on smartphones by now and made a lot of money but they haven't chosen too.

[k0ala]

[quote author=Vandamguy link=topic=5854.msg229744#msg229744 date=1320682651]
you'll have to agree that its becoming a niche market when since most parents aren't buying tire kids both an ipod touch and a 3ds

Don't most phones count as MP3 players these days? Plus, I'd imagine most kids (14 and under) probably don't care about an ipod just yet.
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Even as a little kid my parents would let me play records, 8-tracks, cassettes. MP3 files will never jam in a cheap player, never degrade due to a fingerprint, never unravel and hang out of the package like a horrible roadkill accident. I never broke a player through carelessness but I broke my share of physical media.

[Versus]

[quote author=Karth link=topic=5854.msg229745#msg229745 date=1320682820]
[quote author=Vandamguy link=topic=5854.msg229744#msg229744 date=1320682651]
you'll have to agree that its becoming a niche market when since most parents aren't buying tire kids both an ipod touch and a 3ds

Don't most phones count as MP3 players these days? Plus, I'd imagine most kids (14 and under) probably don't care about an ipod just yet.
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Even as a little kid my parents would let me play records, 8-tracks, cassettes. MP3 files will never jam in a cheap player, never degrade due to a fingerprint, never unravel and hang out of the package like a horrible roadkill accident. I never broke a player through carelessness but I broke my share of physical media.


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i don't get it

[HeK]

[quote author=Karth link=topic=5854.msg229745#msg229745 date=1320682820]
[quote author=Vandamguy link=topic=5854.msg229744#msg229744 date=1320682651]
you'll have to agree that its becoming a niche market when since most parents aren't buying tire kids both an ipod touch and a 3ds

Don't most phones count as MP3 players these days? Plus, I'd imagine most kids (14 and under) probably don't care about an ipod just yet.
[/quote]
Even as a little kid my parents would let me play records, 8-tracks, cassettes. MP3 files will never jam in a cheap player, never degrade due to a fingerprint, never unravel and hang out of the package like a horrible roadkill accident. I never broke a player through carelessness but I broke my share of physical media.


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I preferred a bic ballpoint. The wood on pencils tend to round.

[k0ala]

i don't get it

sometimes one reel would unwind and the other one wouldn't take up the slack, so there would be some tape hanging out the bottom of the cassette. It's pretty fragile and if you broke it, you were done listening to that album. Unless you had some special splicing tape, which never worked.

So you had to wind the tape back in without a cassette player, because those dives spin both reels and you need to correct the imbalance, and because it only got that horrible prolapse when it was loaded into a malfunctioning player to begin with. A six-sided pencil or Bic Stic pen will fit into that reel hole, and makes an effective tool to spin the reel and hopefully wind the loose tape back up into the  cassette.