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[Eschatos]

[quote author=Surf314 link=topic=2632.msg243596#msg243596 date=1335280608]
They aren't getting rid of it

Yes, they are.  When a department no longer exists, that constitutes "getting rid of it"

just gutting it and taking away all the research and crap.

That crap is what attracts decent professors.  Rolling computer science into other departments will happens like this: you'll have a little bit of Java, and some procedural programming in the physics and/or math departments.  I've been subjected to that, I already knew Java before taking the computational physics class, they managed to make me unlearn most of Java, it was an absolutely horrible class.  The super low level intro to office, database (MS access) and "web development" (LOL 2 credit hours of Html) will be moved to the business school, except when they dropped the graduate program in CS, there is now no one left to teach it.  Roll some graphic design stuff in to Fine Arts, which will subtly shift from "how to create in this design suite" to "that's solid design but it doesn't twang my artistic string, F" -they're taking the instruction of computer science out of the hands of computer scientists.  Which while completely screwing the CS majors (I mean, really, what are these guys going to do?), also screws the rest of the school who relies on that department for subject matter expertise.

Maybe gut liberal arts instead?

I'd be more OK with that.  It's retarded to cut Science or Technology education right now.

Also the athletic budget is separate, so its not like one is being stolen for the other.

Sounds like it's time to raid the cookie jar.  I'm sure the board of directors could, if they wanted to, granted someone would probably sue though.  I often wonder how people forget it's a School. 

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As one of the people this is affecting, I'm seriously considering either switching majors or transferring to UCF/FSU.  Maybe I'll switch to Information Technology and just teach myself programming.

[A. Crow]

If they're going to do this, don't give them anymore of your money that you're borrowing.  Transfer. 

[rumsfald]

The UF stance does raise the question of whether the university model is the most effective and efficient method of teaching programming. I think this question is open to debate.

compare with: https://www.hackerschool.com/


In unrelated/related news, when it comes to paying academic publishers Harvard waves the white flag

http://isites.harvard.edu/icb/icb.do?key...roup143448

[Surf314]

[quote author=Surf314 link=topic=2632.msg243596#msg243596 date=1335280608]
They aren't getting rid of it

Yes, they are.  When a department no longer exists, that constitutes "getting rid of it"

just gutting it and taking away all the research and crap.

That crap is what attracts decent professors.  Rolling computer science into other departments will happens like this: you'll have a little bit of Java, and some procedural programming in the physics and/or math departments.  I've been subjected to that, I already knew Java before taking the computational physics class, they managed to make me unlearn most of Java, it was an absolutely horrible class.  The super low level intro to office, database (MS access) and "web development" (LOL 2 credit hours of Html) will be moved to the business school, except when they dropped the graduate program in CS, there is now no one left to teach it.  Roll some graphic design stuff in to Fine Arts, which will subtly shift from "how to create in this design suite" to "that's solid design but it doesn't twang my artistic string, F" -they're taking the instruction of computer science out of the hands of computer scientists.  Which while completely screwing the CS majors (I mean, really, what are these guys going to do?), also screws the rest of the school who relies on that department for subject matter expertise.

Maybe gut liberal arts instead?

I'd be more OK with that.  It's retarded to cut Science or Technology education right now.

Also the athletic budget is separate, so its not like one is being stolen for the other.

Sounds like it's time to raid the cookie jar.  I'm sure the board of directors could, if they wanted to, granted someone would probably sue though.  I often wonder how people forget it's a School. 

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They can't touch the athletic budget, I think it comes from alumni and other stuff and is earmarked specifically for the sports program. I'm not saying I approve of what they are doing, I'm just saying the Forbes article is misleading. It's bad, but bad in a different way then described.

Anyways, one of my friends has a theory that this was a political play to gain support for more funding. If that is the case, it may be successful.

[Eschatos]

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[quote author=Surf314 link=topic=2632.msg243596#msg243596 date=1335280608]
They aren't getting rid of it

Yes, they are.  When a department no longer exists, that constitutes "getting rid of it"

just gutting it and taking away all the research and crap.

That crap is what attracts decent professors.  Rolling computer science into other departments will happens like this: you'll have a little bit of Java, and some procedural programming in the physics and/or math departments.  I've been subjected to that, I already knew Java before taking the computational physics class, they managed to make me unlearn most of Java, it was an absolutely horrible class.  The super low level intro to office, database (MS access) and "web development" (LOL 2 credit hours of Html) will be moved to the business school, except when they dropped the graduate program in CS, there is now no one left to teach it.  Roll some graphic design stuff in to Fine Arts, which will subtly shift from "how to create in this design suite" to "that's solid design but it doesn't twang my artistic string, F" -they're taking the instruction of computer science out of the hands of computer scientists.  Which while completely screwing the CS majors (I mean, really, what are these guys going to do?), also screws the rest of the school who relies on that department for subject matter expertise.

Maybe gut liberal arts instead?

I'd be more OK with that.  It's retarded to cut Science or Technology education right now.

Also the athletic budget is separate, so its not like one is being stolen for the other.

Sounds like it's time to raid the cookie jar.  I'm sure the board of directors could, if they wanted to, granted someone would probably sue though.  I often wonder how people forget it's a School. 

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They can't touch the athletic budget, I think it comes from alumni and other stuff and is earmarked specifically for the sports program. I'm not saying I approve of what they are doing, I'm just saying the Forbes article is misleading. It's bad, but bad in a different way then described.

Anyways, one of my friends has a theory that this was a political play to gain support for more funding. If that is the case, it may be successful.
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Well they've already fired some people from CISE. I hope it's worth it.

[copulatingduck]

[quote author=LT Crow link=topic=2632.msg243608#msg243608 date=1335283814]
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Isn't it awesome how politicians claim the country will continue to be relevant globally - both socially and economically - because of the quality and quantity of citizens educated in STEM, yet state governments everywhere are cutting educational funding? It isn't just the colleges that are suffering, and the kids will not be alright.

[CaffeinePowered]

I am so checked out mentally.....

[Eightball]

I am so checked out mentally.....

You're telling me. I'm trying to focus now so I can enjoy this weekend...but it doesn't look like I'm making headway. Thinking I might end up dropping a class if the exam (tuesday after ACEN) goes badly, since I'm more or less lost in that class anyways...

[at0m]

I checked out last week...

[Dr. Zaius]

I checked out last week...

You motherfuckers, too?

I cannot get homework done  :'(

[Whendilin]

[quote author=at0m link=topic=2632.msg243753#msg243753 date=1335373813]
I checked out last week...

You motherfuckers, too?

I cannot get homework done  :'(
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you still do hw? wow i stopped doing that a while back

[Dr. Zaius]

you still do hw? wow i stopped doing that a while back

I do homework when I need to save my grade.







Also, EnMasse just sent me some more codes for the Tera headstart weekend (this ACen weekend).

So if you're not joining us and want something else to blow your weekend on, contact me for a code. Starts Saturday 28th and ends the 1st.

[Eschatos]

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Isn't it awesome how politicians claim the country will continue to be relevant globally - both socially and economically - because of the quality and quantity of citizens educated in STEM, yet state governments everywhere are cutting educational funding? It isn't just the colleges that are suffering, and the kids will not be alright.
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The president of UF just sent everyone an email saying that CISE isn't actually getting cut and they're working on a new plan.  Here's the interesting part from the email:

"Some have suggested that the university use its "unrestricted assets" or
"reserves" to cover the reductions. That is not a viable option for the
University of Florida.

We spent nearly $30 million of reserves last year to avoid having to make
difficult budget decisions. We were optimistic in an economic recovery
that would stave off reductions this year. Unfortunately, we are facing
even larger cuts now because we failed to make needed budget adjustments
then.

At the same time, a severe backlog of facilities maintenance caused by the
elimination of state support has the university on the precipice of
crisis. We must maintain sufficient reserves to manage unexpected expenses
associated with air conditioning system failures, roof leaks or other
major outages that could put buildings out of commission and cost millions
of dollars.

Additional budget reduction proposals are expected to be brought forth in
other colleges in coming weeks. I know finding the necessary savings after
years of budget cutting will be difficult."

[Dr. Zaius]

I hate the websites that do nothing but compile questions/queries (such as 'lg env3 camera start error') and make it to the top pages on google without actually offering any fucking help.

As a matter of fact, I hate a lot of websites. [/rant]

[Kirby]

I hate the websites that do nothing but compile questions/queries (such as 'lg env3 camera start error') and make it to the top pages on google without actually offering any fucking help.

As a matter of fact, I hate a lot of websites. [/rant]

And this is why Google added that oh-so-awesome feature that lets you "Block blahblahblah.com" and it will never appear again.

[Surf314]

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Isn't it awesome how politicians claim the country will continue to be relevant globally - both socially and economically - because of the quality and quantity of citizens educated in STEM, yet state governments everywhere are cutting educational funding? It isn't just the colleges that are suffering, and the kids will not be alright.
[/quote]

The president of UF just sent everyone an email saying that CISE isn't actually getting cut and they're working on a new plan.  Here's the interesting part from the email:

"Some have suggested that the university use its "unrestricted assets" or
"reserves" to cover the reductions. That is not a viable option for the
University of Florida.

We spent nearly $30 million of reserves last year to avoid having to make
difficult budget decisions. We were optimistic in an economic recovery
that would stave off reductions this year. Unfortunately, we are facing
even larger cuts now because we failed to make needed budget adjustments
then.

At the same time, a severe backlog of facilities maintenance caused by the
elimination of state support has the university on the precipice of
crisis. We must maintain sufficient reserves to manage unexpected expenses
associated with air conditioning system failures, roof leaks or other
major outages that could put buildings out of commission and cost millions
of dollars.

Additional budget reduction proposals are expected to be brought forth in
other colleges in coming weeks. I know finding the necessary savings after
years of budget cutting will be difficult."
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Shit sucks. I hope they keep up the quality of the well regarded colleges though. I know the law school could rise in rankings and our med school is pretty top notch. I've also heard that the engineering school is pretty well regarded, I know all my friends from there got really good jobs. I can't imagine keeping that reputation with CISE.

[Eschatos]

I would expect they'll end up splitting costs across all of engineering.  Right now it looks like I'll be switching to Information Sciences with the Business college.

[Greatbacon]

It's kind of a weird feeling to know that around this time next year I'll have been (hopefully) working a full time job for some company for almost 4 months.

[Kirby]

It's kind of a weird feeling to know that around this time next year I'll have been (hopefully) working a full time job for some company for almost 4 months.

And I can't believe in 2 months I'll have been where I am for 5 and a half years. Fucking crazy. I can't believe how fast time goes by these days.

[Eschatos]

[quote author=Greatbacon link=topic=2632.msg243921#msg243921 date=1335594733]
It's kind of a weird feeling to know that around this time next year I'll have been (hopefully) working a full time job for some company for almost 4 months.

And I can't believe in 2 months I'll have been where I am for 5 and a half years. Fucking crazy. I can't believe how fast time goes by these days.
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In 7 years I'll have been where I am for 9 years.  Goddamn.