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[Dr. Zaius]

there's no such thing as a good moba  8)

edit: i'm going to be serious for a moment because i feel the same way matter does about this.

To go even further than that, I refuse to play a game that requires you to memorize builds like League of Lemmings (and I can only imagine that dota does as well). And it's not just one build you need to memorize. It seems like if you don't know ALL of the characters in play and how to build against them, you're eternally a noob. That isn't good gameplay, that's a korean time sink. And if I wanted to waste time like that, I'd grind Tera endgame (which would actually be somewhere close to fun, considering the combat doesn't suck).

There are times when it's better to just say no. mobas like that are one fine example.

[zaneyard]

so because a game has a deeper learning curve than hat fortress two it's a bad game?
granted you did just say that treadmill gaming tera is fun

[Dr. Zaius]

so because a game has a deeper learning curve than hat fortress two it's a bad game?
granted you did just say that treadmill gaming tera is fun

tf2 doesn't have a learning curve


and tera has probably the best combat mechanics i've seen in a game. which is a shame because after you hit cap it's just another korean grinder. if they actually did something with it, it'd be amazing. but alas those two months of fun are over.

[matter11]

[quote author=zaneyard link=topic=6457.msg251246#msg251246 date=1344112989]
so because a game has a deeper learning curve than hat fortress two it's a bad game?
granted you did just say that treadmill gaming tera is fun

tf2 doesn't have a learning curve


and tera has probably the best combat mechanics i've seen in a game. which is a shame because after you hit cap it's just another korean grinder. if they actually did something with it, it'd be amazing. but alas those two months of fun are over.
[/quote]

There's a difference between learning curves and having to just memorize the characteristics and dmg numbers of 100+ people and items. There's a learning curve of developing intuitive decision making, which is fun, but you have to deal with continually learning the builds that are most efficient mathematically as the game gets updated.

[zaneyard]

At a basic level all you really need to do to be well off is know what each hero can do. You don't need to know specific damage numbers or items or abilities. I don't know specific damage numbers. If you're trying to imply that ever beginner knows all the heroes, that's funny. And since when have you ever had to memorize builds? Fuck you guys are trying so hard to justify not liking something cause you don't want to read for a few minutes.

[Versus]

mobas bad, cod good

[Eschatos]

At a basic level all you really need to do to be well off is know what each hero can do. You don't need to know specific damage numbers or items or abilities. I don't know specific damage numbers. If you're trying to imply that ever beginner knows all the heroes, that's funny. And since when have you ever had to memorize builds? Fuck you guys are trying so hard to justify not liking something cause you don't want to read for a few minutes.

Yeah if you're even slightly good at the game you come up with builds as you go.  It's as simple as knowing what item would be good in what situation, with a few edits based on what hero/role you're playing.  No one memorizes builds unless they're shit or just learning a hero. 

[zaneyard]

mobas bad, cod good

No one plays cod any more bf3 is the new cod

[Versus]

wow looks like someone hasnt checked out halo 5

[Dr. Zaius]

wow looks like someone hasnt checked out halo 5

dude no it's all about farcry

[Greatbacon]

[quote author=versus link=topic=6457.msg251281#msg251281 date=1344144626]
wow looks like someone hasnt checked out halo 5

dude no it's all about farcry
[/quote]

gooby pz

brackarite

[matter11]

[quote author=zaneyard link=topic=6457.msg251255#msg251255 date=1344118108]
At a basic level all you really need to do to be well off is know what each hero can do. You don't need to know specific damage numbers or items or abilities. I don't know specific damage numbers. If you're trying to imply that ever beginner knows all the heroes, that's funny. And since when have you ever had to memorize builds? Fuck you guys are trying so hard to justify not liking something cause you don't want to read for a few minutes.

Yeah if you're even slightly good at the game you come up with builds as you go.  It's as simple as knowing what item would be good in what situation, with a few edits based on what hero/role you're playing.  No one memorizes builds unless they're shit or just learning a hero. 
[/quote]

dota is too daunting for me to learn with how many heroes there are and how it's more complex/less accessible than league which I used to play a lot. I'm also talking about knowing the math like whether attack damage, attack speed, or armor penetration should be the next item in your build.

[zaneyard]

I'm also talking about knowing the math like whether attack damage, attack speed, or armor penetration should be the next item in your build.

Yeah that doesn't really matter at all.

[Versus]

is anyone interested in a political machine 2012 4-pack

[cbre88x]

[quote author=matter11 link=topic=6457.msg251339#msg251339 date=1344216423]
I'm also talking about knowing the math like whether attack damage, attack speed, or armor penetration should be the next item in your build.

Yeah that doesn't really matter at all.
[/quote]

Math doesn't matter. Knowing what an item does helps. Don't treat the game like a science project. What matters in the end is good farm and even better teamwork.

[Eschatos]

[quote author=Eschatos link=topic=6457.msg251265#msg251265 date=1344124433]
[quote author=zaneyard link=topic=6457.msg251255#msg251255 date=1344118108]
At a basic level all you really need to do to be well off is know what each hero can do. You don't need to know specific damage numbers or items or abilities. I don't know specific damage numbers. If you're trying to imply that ever beginner knows all the heroes, that's funny. And since when have you ever had to memorize builds? Fuck you guys are trying so hard to justify not liking something cause you don't want to read for a few minutes.

Yeah if you're even slightly good at the game you come up with builds as you go.  It's as simple as knowing what item would be good in what situation, with a few edits based on what hero/role you're playing.  No one memorizes builds unless they're shit or just learning a hero. 
[/quote]

dota is too daunting for me to learn with how many heroes there are and how it's more complex/less accessible than league which I used to play a lot. I'm also talking about knowing the math like whether attack damage, attack speed, or armor penetration should be the next item in your build.
[/quote]

Optimizing damage is really not complicated.  Start off with a damage item like battle fury or desolator, then go for some attack speed from butterfly, mask of madness, assault cuirass, etc.  After that you'll be hitting pretty damn hard so get survivability such as BKB followed by an orb effect item if you don't have one yet.  Obviously this is different from what a pro would do and may not apply to some carries but for low and mid level games you'll do just fine. 

Also if you're carrying and aren't great at last hitting go for fast phase boots.  You'll get less late-game dps but the ease of last hitting early to mid will more than make up for it plus you get a bit of survivability from the speed buff.

[backfire]

*cough*


Rayman Origins is a good platformer and I recommend it to people who like platformers with crazy awesome music.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euSZNZ3jxxE#ws

[KarthXLR]

*cough*


Rayman Origins is a good platformer and I recommend it to people who like platformers with crazy awesome music.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euSZNZ3jxxE#ws

The only downside with the PC version is that the co-op (which I consider some of the best co-op in recent years) is local-only.

[MC Fartlett]

Someone convince me to buy CS:GO

[Greatbacon]

Someone convince me to buy CS:GO

Play Blacklight instead, it's f2p and has robots.