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[StolenToast]

The whole point of the declaration was that when a people think that their government is ruling unfairly and unjustly that they should be able to throw them off and adopt a new system.  Hopefully people will remember that.

[Versus]

lol that went well last time in the US

[Dtrain323i]

[quote author=Evil Cheese link=topic=2632.msg252191#msg252191 date=1345170996]
[quote author=Azure_Angel link=topic=2632.msg252189#msg252189 date=1345169565]
[quote author=Kor link=topic=2632.msg252187#msg252187 date=1345168310]
[quote author=Dr. Zaius link=topic=2632.msg252180#msg252180 date=1345162070]
http://www.prweb.com/releases/prweb2012/...770458.htm

executive order by prez handing over control of internet (and other communications) to dept of homeland security

america tries to fuck the free world again?

discuss

Honestly, it's terrifying. Humanity has already proven its irresponsibility with information control. There isn't a man or woman alive that can be entrusted with something as important as the internet. US isn't off the hook for nukes yet.
[/quote]

It almost sounds like Obama is afraid he's going to lose this election, so he's working ever closer to giving himself dictatorial powers. That way when election time comes he can say, "Nope.avi" and suspend it.
[/quote]

I sincerely hope the US government isn't that flimsy. If a president was able to bestow dictatorial powers upon himself, I would think someone else would have already tried it by now. That being said, the fact that the EO exists is certainly a concern and bad form on Obama's part. That wasn't the change we wanted.
[/quote]

With enough power already given up by the people, anything is possible.

[quote author=Azure_Angel link=topic=2632.msg252189#msg252189 date=1345169565]
[quote author=Kor link=topic=2632.msg252187#msg252187 date=1345168310]
[quote author=Dr. Zaius link=topic=2632.msg252180#msg252180 date=1345162070]
http://www.prweb.com/releases/prweb2012/...770458.htm

executive order by prez handing over control of internet (and other communications) to dept of homeland security

america tries to fuck the free world again?

discuss

Honestly, it's terrifying. Humanity has already proven its irresponsibility with information control. There isn't a man or woman alive that can be entrusted with something as important as the internet. US isn't off the hook for nukes yet.
[/quote]

It almost sounds like Obama is afraid he's going to lose this election, so he's working ever closer to giving himself dictatorial powers. That way when election time comes he can say, "Nope.avi" and suspend it.
[/quote]

The american people have options if it comes to that.  
[/quote]

Isn't there something in the constitution that says, "The government is for the people by the people and if the people don't like the government they can rise up and create a new government"?
[/quote]


Long story short: if Obama cancelled elections, we take him out back and put a bullet in his head and start from scratch.

[ZargonX]

[quote author=Azure_Angel link=topic=2632.msg252195#msg252195 date=1345172757]
[quote author=Evil Cheese link=topic=2632.msg252191#msg252191 date=1345170996]
[quote author=Azure_Angel link=topic=2632.msg252189#msg252189 date=1345169565]
[quote author=Kor link=topic=2632.msg252187#msg252187 date=1345168310]
[quote author=Dr. Zaius link=topic=2632.msg252180#msg252180 date=1345162070]
http://www.prweb.com/releases/prweb2012/...770458.htm

executive order by prez handing over control of internet (and other communications) to dept of homeland security

america tries to fuck the free world again?

discuss

Honestly, it's terrifying. Humanity has already proven its irresponsibility with information control. There isn't a man or woman alive that can be entrusted with something as important as the internet. US isn't off the hook for nukes yet.
[/quote]

It almost sounds like Obama is afraid he's going to lose this election, so he's working ever closer to giving himself dictatorial powers. That way when election time comes he can say, "Nope.avi" and suspend it.
[/quote]

I sincerely hope the US government isn't that flimsy. If a president was able to bestow dictatorial powers upon himself, I would think someone else would have already tried it by now. That being said, the fact that the EO exists is certainly a concern and bad form on Obama's part. That wasn't the change we wanted.
[/quote]

With enough power already given up by the people, anything is possible.

[quote author=Azure_Angel link=topic=2632.msg252189#msg252189 date=1345169565]
[quote author=Kor link=topic=2632.msg252187#msg252187 date=1345168310]
[quote author=Dr. Zaius link=topic=2632.msg252180#msg252180 date=1345162070]
http://www.prweb.com/releases/prweb2012/...770458.htm

executive order by prez handing over control of internet (and other communications) to dept of homeland security

america tries to fuck the free world again?

discuss

Honestly, it's terrifying. Humanity has already proven its irresponsibility with information control. There isn't a man or woman alive that can be entrusted with something as important as the internet. US isn't off the hook for nukes yet.
[/quote]

It almost sounds like Obama is afraid he's going to lose this election, so he's working ever closer to giving himself dictatorial powers. That way when election time comes he can say, "Nope.avi" and suspend it.
[/quote]

The american people have options if it comes to that.  
[/quote]

Isn't there something in the constitution that says, "The government is for the people by the people and if the people don't like the government they can rise up and create a new government"?
[/quote]


Long story short: if Obama cancelled elections, we take him out back and put a bullet in his head and start from scratch.
[/quote]

So where was this attitude when Bush and his cronies peeled away our civil liberties for most of a decade? Oh, right, he was one of you guys so it was a-ok.

[at0m]

[quote author=Dtrain323i link=topic=2632.msg252220#msg252220 date=1345208760]
*LE SNIP*

Long story short: if Obama cancelled elections, we take him out back and put a bullet in his head and start from scratch.

So where was this attitude when Bush and his cronies peeled away our civil liberties for most of a decade? Oh, right, he was one of you guys so it was a-ok.
[/quote]Pretty sure dtrain wanted to pop a cap in Bush too, Zargon, so you might want to check your attitude.

[CaffeinePowered]

[quote author=ZargonX link=topic=2632.msg252230#msg252230 date=1345223213]
[quote author=Dtrain323i link=topic=2632.msg252220#msg252220 date=1345208760]
*LE SNIP*

Long story short: if Obama cancelled elections, we take him out back and put a bullet in his head and start from scratch.

So where was this attitude when Bush and his cronies peeled away our civil liberties for most of a decade? Oh, right, he was one of you guys so it was a-ok.
[/quote]Pretty sure dtrain wanted to pop a cap in Bush too, Zargon, so you might want to check your attitude.
[/quote]

The buzzword these days is privelage, thats what you check

[ZargonX]

[quote author=ZargonX link=topic=2632.msg252230#msg252230 date=1345223213]
[quote author=Dtrain323i link=topic=2632.msg252220#msg252220 date=1345208760]
*LE SNIP*

Long story short: if Obama cancelled elections, we take him out back and put a bullet in his head and start from scratch.

So where was this attitude when Bush and his cronies peeled away our civil liberties for most of a decade? Oh, right, he was one of you guys so it was a-ok.
[/quote]Pretty sure dtrain wanted to pop a cap in Bush too, Zargon, so you might want to check your attitude.
[/quote]

You'll have to forgive me if I get a little upset about people casually discussing putting a bullet in someone's head when we've just had two mass shootings in the past few weeks.

[at0m]

[quote author=at0m link=topic=2632.msg252234#msg252234 date=1345227476]
[quote author=ZargonX link=topic=2632.msg252230#msg252230 date=1345223213]
[quote author=Dtrain323i link=topic=2632.msg252220#msg252220 date=1345208760]
*LE SNIP*

Long story short: if Obama cancelled elections, we take him out back and put a bullet in his head and start from scratch.

So where was this attitude when Bush and his cronies peeled away our civil liberties for most of a decade? Oh, right, he was one of you guys so it was a-ok.
[/quote]Pretty sure dtrain wanted to pop a cap in Bush too, Zargon, so you might want to check your attitude.
[/quote]You'll have to forgive me if I get a little upset about people casually discussing putting a bullet in someone's head when we've just had two mass shootings in the past few weeks.
[/quote]Understandable. However, positing putting down a dictator because he's crazy, and being crazy enough to shoot up a movie theater or a temple are two pretty disparate categories in my eyes.

And lumping a friend who has libertarian views on politics and gun control in with said crazy shooter is also pretty bogus.

The dbag that shot up the temple was too dumb to know the difference between Sikhs and Muslims, to boot. It was pretty depressing that the media had to keep pointing out that they were two separate religions.

[Saxxy]

the link zaius posted is a press release from "usenetreviewz" and "vpnreviewz".  This was not written by a journalist, it was written by a marketer.

Regarding the actual executive order, which was issued more than a month ago: there's one section, 5.2 (a), which was the main point of contention (the EFF), source of confusion (conspiracy theorists), or propaganda fuel (Russia Today)

The Secretary of Homeland Security shall: (a) oversee the development, testing, implementation, and sustainment of NS/EP communications, including: communications that support Continuity of Government; Federal, State, local, territorial, and tribal emergency preparedness and response communications; non-military executive branch communications systems; critical infrastructure protection networks; and non-military communications networks, particularly with respect to prioritization and restoration

NS/EP stands for National Security and Emergency Preparedness

After some searching I only found a few commentaries/reporting on this that weren't propaganda pieces or hysterical fear mongering based on the propaganda pieces (did you know that fear mongering is a great way to drive page views, therby increasing ad revenue?  It's true!).  The purpose of this order is clarifying what the various departments of the government are supposed to do in the event of an emergency that disrupts/threatens the U.S. communication network, such as a major disaster or cyber attack.  Even the 5.2 section isn't particularly exciting.  If a major disruption occurs to the communications network of the U.S., then the government is probably gonna want to have a plan for restoring it, that's a no-brainer.

Stuff like SOPA and its ilk are dangerous, but not some run of the mill executive order like this one.

[ZargonX]

[quote author=ZargonX link=topic=2632.msg252239#msg252239 date=1345229346]
[quote author=at0m link=topic=2632.msg252234#msg252234 date=1345227476]
[quote author=ZargonX link=topic=2632.msg252230#msg252230 date=1345223213]
[quote author=Dtrain323i link=topic=2632.msg252220#msg252220 date=1345208760]
*LE SNIP*

Long story short: if Obama cancelled elections, we take him out back and put a bullet in his head and start from scratch.

So where was this attitude when Bush and his cronies peeled away our civil liberties for most of a decade? Oh, right, he was one of you guys so it was a-ok.
[/quote]Pretty sure dtrain wanted to pop a cap in Bush too, Zargon, so you might want to check your attitude.
[/quote]You'll have to forgive me if I get a little upset about people casually discussing putting a bullet in someone's head when we've just had two mass shootings in the past few weeks.
[/quote]Understandable. However, positing putting down a dictator because he's crazy, and being crazy enough to shoot up a movie theater or a temple are two pretty disparate categories in my eyes.

And lumping a friend who has libertarian views on politics and gun control in with said crazy shooter is also pretty bogus.
[/quote]

Oh, I definitely do lump dtrain into that category. I really hope it didn't come across that way. I know he's crazy for entirely different reasons

The dbag that shot up the temple was too dumb to know the difference between Sikhs and Muslims, to boot. It was pretty depressing that the media had to keep pointing out that they were two separate religions.

That is depressing to no end, and knowing that a lot of people share that same problem is even worse. They may not shoot up a temple, but the impact they have on politicians is even more pervasive.

[Dr. Zaius]

Thanks for clearing that up, Saxxy. I didn't exactly understand what I read so I posted it here and had you guys digest it. Good work.

also

[quote author=Dtrain323i link=topic=2632.msg252220#msg252220 date=1345208760]
*LE SNIP*
Long story short: if Obama cancelled elections, we take him out back and put a bullet in his head and start from scratch.

[/quote]

*LE SNIP*

LE

LE

LE

No.

[Something Swain]

Thanks for clearing that up, Saxxy. I didn't exactly understand what I read so I posted it here and had you guys digest it. Good work.

also

[quote author=at0m link=topic=2632.msg252234#msg252234 date=1345227476]

[quote author=Dtrain323i link=topic=2632.msg252220#msg252220 date=1345208760]
*LE SNIP*
Long story short: if Obama cancelled elections, we take him out back and put a bullet in his head and start from scratch.

[/quote]

*LE SNIP*

LE

LE

LE

No.
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For some reason "LE" being exactly the same three times just really bugged me. I don't know why, so I fixed it.

[Versus]

Thanks for clearing that up, Saxxy. I didn't exactly understand what I read so I posted it here and had you guys digest it. Good work.

also

[quote author=at0m link=topic=2632.msg252234#msg252234 date=1345227476]

[quote author=Dtrain323i link=topic=2632.msg252220#msg252220 date=1345208760]
*LE SNIP*
Long story short: if Obama cancelled elections, we take him out back and put a bullet in his head and start from scratch.

[/quote]

*LE SNIP*

LE

LE

LE

No.
[/quote]

[A. Crow]

So, what all the bullshit over the past two thread pages boils down to is:

1) Don't believe everything you read on the internet

1a) Do some research

2) let's talk about overthrowing the government


?Ok, we're done being retarded, right?

[matter11]

So, what all the bullshit over the past two thread pages boils down to is:

1) Don't believe everything you read on the internet

1a) Do some research

2) let's talk about overthrowing the government


?Ok, we're done being retarded, right?

I was under the impression that brbu stood for "being retarded bros unconditionally".

[StolenToast]

[quote author=LT Crow link=topic=2632.msg252273#msg252273 date=1345255241]
So, what all the bullshit over the past two thread pages boils down to is:

1) Don't believe everything you read on the internet

1a) Do some research

2) let's talk about overthrowing the government


?Ok, we're done being retarded, right?

I was under the impression that brbu stood for "being retarded bros unconditionally".
[/quote]Its about dongs, downies, and anime.

[Azure_Angel]

So, what all the bullshit over the past two thread pages boils down to is:

1) Don't believe everything you read on the internet

1a) Do some research

2) let's talk about overthrowing the government


?Ok, we're done being retarded, right?

So after we overthrow the US Government can we bring down the British Monarchy? (British republican ftw)

[Didzo]

[quote author=LT Crow link=topic=2632.msg252273#msg252273 date=1345255241]
So, what all the bullshit over the past two thread pages boils down to is:

1) Don't believe everything you read on the internet

1a) Do some research

2) let's talk about overthrowing the government


?Ok, we're done being retarded, right?

So after we overthrow the US Government can we bring down the British Monarchy? (British republican ftw)
[/quote]

What's the point of removing a figurehead?

[Azure_Angel]

[quote author=Azure_Angel link=topic=2632.msg252290#msg252290 date=1345266624]
[quote author=LT Crow link=topic=2632.msg252273#msg252273 date=1345255241]
So, what all the bullshit over the past two thread pages boils down to is:

1) Don't believe everything you read on the internet

1a) Do some research

2) let's talk about overthrowing the government


?Ok, we're done being retarded, right?

So after we overthrow the US Government can we bring down the British Monarchy? (British republican ftw)
[/quote]

What's the point of removing a figurehead?


[/quote]

General public opinion across the commonwealth shows that if the queen and the princes were dead, they'd vote to abolish the monarchy and create a republic.

[matter11]

[quote author=Didzo link=topic=2632.msg252291#msg252291 date=1345267650]
[quote author=Azure_Angel link=topic=2632.msg252290#msg252290 date=1345266624]
[quote author=LT Crow link=topic=2632.msg252273#msg252273 date=1345255241]
So, what all the bullshit over the past two thread pages boils down to is:

1) Don't believe everything you read on the internet

1a) Do some research

2) let's talk about overthrowing the government


?Ok, we're done being retarded, right?

So after we overthrow the US Government can we bring down the British Monarchy? (British republican ftw)
[/quote]

What's the point of removing a figurehead?


[/quote]

General public opinion across the commonwealth shows that if the queen and the princes were dead, they'd vote to abolish the monarchy and create a republic.
[/quote]

When I visited Australia I was told they had an election on whether or not to stay under the monarchy despite being a different government. Aussies like the queen apparently.  Also I wonder what the cost of supporting the English figureheads is.