HEY LOOK SCOUT UPDATE ON THE 24TH

[Vongore]

http://www.buildersleagueunited.com/

Scout update's a spah D:

lolwat? That's awesome!

[ScottyGrayskull]

Heh. I definitely see this weapon making lots of Scouts think they're snipers, like the flare gun did for the Pyro.

[Surf314]

i dont see why people think that letting classes be 'round' is good, thats like giving the sniper a way to defend himself at close range, its stupid.
TF2 is meant to be a fancy version of rock paper scissors, stop this 'give the pyro a long range weapon, let the heavy work well without a medic, let the medic steal health shit, they should have not updated dick. saying that im probably gonna use the new bat for shits n giggles.

The main problem is some classes are too situational.  Most classes you can use in most situations without being useless.  But some are too specific.  It'd be fine if they were all too specific or if only maybe 3 were all around classes.  But it seems the scout, sniper and engineer can easily be put into situations they are not effective based on the other teams playing or the environment.  I definitely don't want to see a sentry with legs but I can see where they would want to round out characters instead of removing other characters "roundness."

[copulatingduck]

Scout's only useless if there's engies or ridiculously small chokepoints. Otherwise he's one of the best/most versatile classes in the game...

[HeK]

I hope the new bat won't crit as well. That should even it out a bit more.

[Spore]

Scout's only useless if there's engies or ridiculously small chokepoints. Otherwise he's one of the best/most versatile classes in the game...

Good observation captain obvious, but a lot of TF2 play time is on Dustbowl and other maps like it where having scout is just for the lulz. This is a situational weapon that switches his area of effectiveness from maps like 2fort to the more densely packed levels.

Edit:

I hope the new bat won't crit as well. That should even it out a bit more.

I'm guessing it will crit stunned people or else what the fuck is the point?

[CaffeinePowered]

Edit:
[quote author=HeK link=topic=2359.msg67381#msg67381 date=1234928089]
I hope the new bat won't crit as well. That should even it out a bit more.

I'm guessing it will crit stunned people or else what the fuck is the point?
[/quote]

Stun heavy

Grab Intel

Stun Heavy again

???

Profit

[Badgerman of DOOM]

The removal of the double jump cripples this weapon. A resounding do not want from me.

[zaneyard]

like every other update, there will be someone on the internet to bitch about how OP it is, or how useless it is. The only other alternative is for valve to not make a game. not to mention the fact that you don't have to use the unlocks...



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[chronomaster]

If Dave had his way, the United States would still be part of the British Colonial Empire.

That said, at least Scout still has his speed. Now, if the next weapon takes that away...

[cbre88x]

like every other update, there will be someone on the internet to bitch about how OP it is, or how useless it is. The only other alternative is for valve not to do the updates and unlocks. not to mention the fact that you don't have to use the unlocks...

Bingooo

[Radio Raheem]

you dont have to use the unlocks true. but that doesnt stop the 9 pyros using the 50 health on backburner

[zaneyard]

you dont have to use the unlocks true. but that doesnt stop the 9 pyros using the 50 health on backburner

what 50 health? i dont see any 50 health..

[Ianki]

[quote author=Radio Raheem link=topic=2359.msg67410#msg67410 date=1234937896]
you dont have to use the unlocks true. but that doesnt stop the 9 pyros using the 50 health on backburner

what 50 health? i dont see any 50 health..
[/quote]

Radio never plays anymore, he missed that update.

Radio, come back, we miss you.

[Radio Raheem]

ive been busy so i hardly play outside of scrims now. point if something is overpowered everyone will abuse it so saying you dont have to use it is a really bad answer. youll be the only guy on the server not doing it

[Squishy3]

The removal of the double jump cripples this weapon. A resounding do not want from me.

You... DOUBLE JUMPER.

you offend me sir.

[Dave]

scouts (me) rape on dustbowl. choke points for me, are just gathering points for targets.

[copulatingduck]

[quote author=CopulatingDuck link=topic=2359.msg67378#msg67378 date=1234926194]
Scout's only useless if there's engies or ridiculously small chokepoints. Otherwise he's one of the best/most versatile classes in the game...

Good observation captain obvious, but a lot of TF2 play time is on Dustbowl and other maps like it where having scout is just for the lulz. This is a situational weapon that switches his area of effectiveness from maps like 2fort to the more densely packed levels.

[/quote]

Except it really doesn't. Sure, this is good for spamming a defensive chokepoint, but that was never the scout's problem. I thought the entire point of his unlocks was to make him more useful against sentry farms/walls of defense. This does neither, and makes him that much worse off for lack of a double jump.

Not that I ever agreed with creating weapons/balancing classes around 1 or 2 bad maps...

PS - if you want the scout to be more effective against walls of spam, I hear he already has better alternatives. Stand in respawn and try this in console:

Code:

join_class medic

[Dave]

[quote author=Spore link=topic=2359.msg67382#msg67382 date=1234928208]
[quote author=CopulatingDuck link=topic=2359.msg67378#msg67378 date=1234926194]
Scout's only useless if there's engies or ridiculously small chokepoints. Otherwise he's one of the best/most versatile classes in the game...

Good observation captain obvious, but a lot of TF2 play time is on Dustbowl and other maps like it where having scout is just for the lulz. This is a situational weapon that switches his area of effectiveness from maps like 2fort to the more densely packed levels.

[/quote]

Except it really doesn't. Sure, this is good for spamming a defensive chokepoint, but that was never the scout's problem. I thought the entire point of his unlocks was to make him more useful against sentry farms/walls of defense. This does neither, and makes him that much worse off for lack of a double jump.

Not that I ever agreed with creating weapons/balancing classes around 1 or 2 bad maps...

PS - if you want the scout to be more effective against walls of spam, I hear he already has better alternatives. Stand in respawn and try this in console:

Code:

join_class medic

[/quote]

OR get behind them like i do?

[Surf314]

I think the main problem with the scout is he was built around CTF maps but those don't really get any play.  The bat should help him a bit in the other maps, although it could make him too powerful in Arena mode.  Also having him stop Ubers is just wrong.

I mean seriously, the only class that can stop an uber dead?  Sure pyros got the air blast but it's super tricky just to use it properly plus you got to get in close and survive.  Having the scout baseball snipe ubers just sits wrong with me.  Actually encouraging people to baseball snipe at all sits wrong with me.  But I have to see how it plays.