BRB #1 Rotation Horseshit/Bullshit/Pile of Shit.

[ribozyme]

...and class limits rear their ugly head.  Anyway I'll support this since it is as close to my ideal as I can see.

This would be my ideal rotation:

Turbine
Dustbowl
Mach 4 Impact
Goldrush
Labor Steel
Gravelpit
2Fort (I know a lot of people don't like it, but it fills the server and it's really not that bad if you get two good teams on it)
Freight
Badwater
Stag ROTATING CUSTOM (This still makes the map testing we do in TFT relevant, and will keep people from getting TOO bored at least with the exact same rotation. One rotating spot for a really good custom I think is a good idea. Rotating once every two weeks or once a month is what I envision.)

I'll be honest, a lot of the custom maps we have on the server just plain aren't very much fun.

One thing I don't understand is why people would ever want to shrink the size of the rotation.  More maps = more variety = more replay value = more fun etc. etc.  I know customs can drive people away, but I think it is more a problem of picking the right customs and the right map order than just saying customs are bad.  I know of several servers that sport large rotations with a lot of customs that can hold a population more consistently than us.

[CaffeinePowered]

I know of several servers that sport large rotations with a lot of customs that can hold a population more consistently than us.

I think this is mostly due to the download server being slow, neither scotty nor I have really had the time to look for a new one. We experiment with dreamhost and it was multitudes faster, HOWEVER, it only allowed a maximum of like 3 or 4 connections at once, so if 10 people have to download a map, well, 6 or 7 people are SOL and it will give them a map not found error.

If anyone would like to search for a better host, I'd be very grateful, you dont even have to pay for it, just find it. It has to have two things...
#1 - Fast speeds
#2 - 10+ Gigs of Storage
#3 - Several gigs of bandwidth allocation
#4 - Ability to handle spontaneous large loads

Basically you need a box that can handle a sudden influx of 15 - 20 people all downloading the same file at the same time and maintain as fast of a download speed as possible.


Also nice sig

[Spore]

Rotation needs more custom payloads.

[copulatingduck]

If your computer sucks too much to play Steel, get a new computer. 

Pretty sure it's the map since I get 150+ fps on Granary/Badlands but Steel consistently dips below 50 fps.

[zaneyard]

[quote author=Wedge link=topic=2637.msg75358#msg75358 date=1239169328]
If your computer sucks too much to play Steel, get a new computer. 

Pretty sure it's the map since I get 150+ fps on Granary/Badlands but Steel consistently dips below 50 fps.
[/quote]
i handle every map on under 30 fps
50 fps sounds good to me

If your computer sucks too much to play Steel, get a new computer. 

and getting a new computer isnt always a choice
sorry i dont have a money tree growing in my backyard

[CaffeinePowered]

[quote author=CopulatingDuck link=topic=2637.msg75425#msg75425 date=1239213543]
[quote author=Wedge link=topic=2637.msg75358#msg75358 date=1239169328]
If your computer sucks too much to play Steel, get a new computer. 

Pretty sure it's the map since I get 150+ fps on Granary/Badlands but Steel consistently dips below 50 fps.
[/quote]
i handle every map on under 30 fps
50 fps sounds good to me


did you know that the average human eye can only see about 45-60 frames a second?
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Bzzzt.....http://amo.net/NT/02-21-01FPS.html

Sorry, please continue with your regularly scheduled rotation thread

[copulatingduck]

[quote author=CopulatingDuck link=topic=2637.msg75425#msg75425 date=1239213543]
[quote author=Wedge link=topic=2637.msg75358#msg75358 date=1239169328]
If your computer sucks too much to play Steel, get a new computer. 

Pretty sure it's the map since I get 150+ fps on Granary/Badlands but Steel consistently dips below 50 fps.
[/quote]
i handle every map on under 30 fps
50 fps sounds good to me

If your computer sucks too much to play Steel, get a new computer. 

and getting a new computer isnt always a choice
sorry i dont have a money tree growing in my backyard
[/quote]

it's not that 50fps is a problem, it's that dipping from 150fps to below 50fps is a problem. Dropping frames makes the game feel just as laggy as playing with half the framerate.

[zaneyard]

[quote author=zaneyard link=topic=2637.msg75426#msg75426 date=1239213693]
[quote author=CopulatingDuck link=topic=2637.msg75425#msg75425 date=1239213543]
[quote author=Wedge link=topic=2637.msg75358#msg75358 date=1239169328]
If your computer sucks too much to play Steel, get a new computer. 

Pretty sure it's the map since I get 150+ fps on Granary/Badlands but Steel consistently dips below 50 fps.
[/quote]
i handle every map on under 30 fps
50 fps sounds good to me


did you know that the average human eye can only see about 45-60 frames a second?
[/quote]


Bzzzt.....http://amo.net/NT/02-21-01FPS.html

Sorry, please continue with your regularly scheduled rotation thread
[/quote]
yeah i just read that, didnt you notice my clever edit?


@Duck
I know, i was just saying, damn 50 fps sounds good to me


anyways, work is starting to pick up. so if i keep pulling in hours i might be able to get my shit payed off this summer and start building a new rig

[KarthXLR]

[quote author=zaneyard link=topic=2637.msg75426#msg75426 date=1239213693]
[quote author=CopulatingDuck link=topic=2637.msg75425#msg75425 date=1239213543]
[quote author=Wedge link=topic=2637.msg75358#msg75358 date=1239169328]
If your computer sucks too much to play Steel, get a new computer. 

Pretty sure it's the map since I get 150+ fps on Granary/Badlands but Steel consistently dips below 50 fps.
[/quote]
i handle every map on under 30 fps
50 fps sounds good to me

If your computer sucks too much to play Steel, get a new computer. 

and getting a new computer isnt always a choice
sorry i dont have a money tree growing in my backyard
[/quote]

it's not that 50fps is a problem, it's that dipping from 150fps to below 50fps is a problem. Dropping frames makes the game feel just as laggy as playing with half the framerate.
[/quote]

I've never really noticed much lag between maps. Steel runs just fine for me, same with arena and others, and my rig may be one of the worst here.

[ScottyGrayskull]

[quote author=Aerox link=topic=2637.msg75263#msg75263 date=1239142305]I feel you on that. I rarely play engie because I usually find it incredibly boring.

and that's why offensive engi is fun ;D
[/quote]

Indeed, and with a bit of luck can be quite devastating. Nothing like a well placed baby to whittle down a medic and make him pop the uber early. ^_^

[quote author=Wedge link=topic=2637.msg75307#msg75307 date=1239156361]
Good fucking god we are not putting arena in any rotation.  Got a fucking arena server if you want to play that crap.

I like Arena
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I like surfing maps, but there's no way I'd ever want them on rotation.

I like arena.
if you cant handle the 2:00 minutes, go take a shit or something.
pooping is always fun, and generally takes less than 2:00 minutes for me.
unless you have bowel problems
in that case, go spec.

Unless they fixed it, you never really go spec with Arena. If you do go spec you'll still get tossed into a match when your turn comes up.

And my 10 minute poops do not mean I have a bowel problem! :'(

EDIT: Merged my posts together

[zaneyard]

scotty brings up a good point about pooping

anyways, any time that I have been on the server that switched to arena, there were only about 10 people there anyway

is there a way so arena doesnt 'rotate' unless there is a certain amount of people on the server (such as the max that valve set for arena)???

[CaffeinePowered]

is there a way so arena doesnt 'rotate' unless there is a certain amount of people on the server (such as the max that valve set for arena)???

Yes, I believe there are plugins that you can specify conditions as to whether a map gets skipped over or not (most likely being a player count)

To get back on topic, does anyone else have any suggestions, Im leaving the end decision up to Kor on this one and since he has FTP access, he can change it any time he wants to.

[Wedge]

turbine
freight
gravelpit
follower
goldrash
labor/well
warpath
badwater
2fort/mach4
steel
switchback_b5/stag
dustbowl

I'd put the least likely map for people to have right after steel, because anyone that will play steel probably has a better chance of sticking around for a custom.  Then DB right after to try and recoup losses.  I'm not certain what to do with freight and follower, as they seem popular to include and I like them, but it's hard to gauge their proliferation.  Also alternate rotation would be.

science2
blockfort
science2
blockfort
science2
blockfort

So I can spend the rest of my life with a 2.5 k/d ratio.


Oh and I really do think it's worth having a round limit to go with the time limit.  Not sure exactly how that stuff works, but it'd be nice to have.

[cannedpeahes]

Mm, yeah, I can get behind this movement.

I like 2fort, but it is kind of slow. Aqua I could stand to keep. I don't give a shit about Norad. Okay with Labor and a scarce round of Gpit. Alwaysalwaysalways Dustbowl, Warpath, and either Badwater or Goldrush.

[Gump]

Mm, yeah, I can get behind this movement.

I like 2fort, but it is kind of slow. Aqua I could stand to keep.

1) 2fort is the antichrist
2) Aqua is a bad map and you should feel bad.

[Versus]

[quote author=peaches link=topic=2637.msg75698#msg75698 date=1239319765]
Mm, yeah, I can get behind this movement.

I like 2fort, but it is kind of slow. Aqua I could stand to keep.

1) 2fort is the antichrist
2) Aqua is a bad map and you should feel bad.
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[Radio Raheem]

powercore was pretty bad

[Kor]

Rotation change is forthcoming!

[ScottyGrayskull]

Rotation change is forthcoming!

Will a rehaul of the rtv/nominate list be coming with it?

[Wedge]

I'd still like to see round limits for map changes.  If maps cycled easier rtv would probably be less of a problem (though the list for random selections really does need to be cleared out).  1 round for each team on a/d maps, best of 3 (or just 2 if you can't do best of) on 5 point maps, and 2 rounds on CTF maps.