Screw it, I quit.

[KarthXLR]

[quote author=Caffeine link=topic=2908.msg83982#msg83982 date=1242702388]
Karth is referring to a match of steel we played earlier where 2 engineers built guns right off the bat covering the exit to E, blue just capped pretty much unopposed because they all camped the door

theres really nothing you can say to that. your team was stupid and you deserved to lose
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Glad you were there to witness the event.

[Surf314]

I repeat:

That's just funny.

Sure but for how long?  This really isn't so much a camping issue as it is a team-stacking issue as has been said you have to be dense to let it happen to you for long.  But team stacking is rarely intentional so there isn't much to be done about it.

[Blues]

[quote author=Pokemon Trainer Blues link=topic=2908.msg83977#msg83977 date=1242702132]
[quote author=Surf314 link=topic=2908.msg83970#msg83970 date=1242701842]
IMO if you are on a steamrolling team and you are good you should switch.  It's more fun when teams are even.  As far as spawn camping it's a dick tactic so you know when you are using it you are being a dick.  Plus you can't really feel like you are accomplishing anything.

Bullshit. If you think spawncamping is easy with one or two people you're fooling yourself and/or have only been the victim and never the attacker.

1) Get past the enemy team to their spawn
2) Have enough health to stop anyone who might be coming out
3) Maintain this, losing bits of health every time unless you have a medic
4) Don't let a single person out, or they all get to flood as you try and deal with that one

Unless there are more than 2 people spawn camping, it will ALWAYS take 2 or less people to break that spawncamp, regardless of the classes that are camping.

Now full team spawncamping is another story, but that requires your whole team to demolish the other and then lock them in while you build up outside their base. That being said, you've still accomplished something: demolished the other team and locked them in while you build up outside their base. Horribad players are horribad.
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You're completely missing the point blues.


owaitaminute im talking to blues about tf2 griefing this does not end well
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No, you're missing the point:

theres really nothing you can say to that. your team was stupid and you deserved to lose

[quote author=Pokemon Trainer Blues link=topic=2908.msg83986#msg83986 date=1242702448]
I repeat:

That's just funny.

Sure but for how long?  This really isn't so much a camping issue as it is a team-stacking issue as has been said you have to be dense to let it happen to you for long.  But team stacking is rarely intentional so there isn't much to be done about it.
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Until the round is over. I just laugh regardless of which team I'm on, then come up with some stupid shit that wins the game or gives everyone a kick until the round is over. (I have a demo of a 12 person team with 9 spies waiting to backcap on dustbowl 3 following my directions to spycap both points simultaneously with like 6 on point one and 3 on point two. If you lighten the fuck up things will work)

Engi spawncamps are one of the easiest things to break. I can singlehandedly do it as a spy in almost every situation, and if there is one where I can't, I sap and direct the team. Spawncamping only occurs because no one wants to balls the fuck up and tell the team what to do. Even pubs will listen after dying once or twice, even more so if you're naturally loud. As soon as you see a spawncamp happen and respawn, you need to let the team know, stop anyone in spawn from rushing out, then switch classes/direct accordingly. You can break even full team spawncamps in a minute to get an uber if you learn to speak.

[Radio Raheem]

[quote author=Radio Raheem link=topic=2908.msg83990#msg83990 date=1242702560]
[quote author=Caffeine link=topic=2908.msg83982#msg83982 date=1242702388]
Karth is referring to a match of steel we played earlier where 2 engineers built guns right off the bat covering the exit to E, blue just capped pretty much unopposed because they all camped the door

theres really nothing you can say to that. your team was stupid and you deserved to lose
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Glad you were there to witness the event.
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you lost to a gimmic strat on a map where you cant really even be camped too badly. im assuming the other team just proceeded to cap so it took what 5 minutes? i can understand dbowl 3-1 getting locked in your spawn for the 25 minute timer or whatever but steel? thats hardly even a camp

anyway i think the point youre getting at isnt so much raging against people camping but more raging at your team for being idiots. theres not really anything you can do for that its a public server

[KarthXLR]

[quote author=Karf the Walrus link=topic=2908.msg83988#msg83988 date=1242702534]
[quote author=Pokemon Trainer Blues link=topic=2908.msg83977#msg83977 date=1242702132]
[quote author=Surf314 link=topic=2908.msg83970#msg83970 date=1242701842]
IMO if you are on a steamrolling team and you are good you should switch.  It's more fun when teams are even.  As far as spawn camping it's a dick tactic so you know when you are using it you are being a dick.  Plus you can't really feel like you are accomplishing anything.

Bullshit. If you think spawncamping is easy with one or two people you're fooling yourself and/or have only been the victim and never the attacker.

1) Get past the enemy team to their spawn
2) Have enough health to stop anyone who might be coming out
3) Maintain this, losing bits of health every time unless you have a medic
4) Don't let a single person out, or they all get to flood as you try and deal with that one

Unless there are more than 2 people spawn camping, it will ALWAYS take 2 or less people to break that spawncamp, regardless of the classes that are camping.

Now full team spawncamping is another story, but that requires your whole team to demolish the other and then lock them in while you build up outside their base. That being said, you've still accomplished something: demolished the other team and locked them in while you build up outside their base. Horribad players are horribad.
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You're completely missing the point blues.


owaitaminute im talking to blues about tf2 griefing this does not end well
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No, you're missing the point:

theres really nothing you can say to that. your team was stupid and you deserved to lose

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Then gladly tell me what your point is, because we're not talking about the same thing.

Teamstacking is a bastard tactic and will always be considered that. If you are able to teamstack another team, then NO CRAP THE OTHER TEAM SUCKS. THAT'S WHY YOU SWITCH, TO HELP THEM OUT. This is why I hate playing when, say, Jokerr, Duck, Radio, and I unno, caff are on the same team. THe other team is going to get rolled harder than pavement. There is no excuse for spawn camping, it just shouldn't be done.

[Honest]

Karth is referring to a match of steel we played earlier where 2 engineers built guns right off the bat covering the exit to E, blue just capped pretty much unopposed because they all camped the door

New brotip: IN FACT YOU GET 2 BROTIPS

Brotip 1: Build uber in spawn.
Brotip 2: Go sniper, go to A, Snipe people on Point E while team builds uber in Spawn. Body shot them scouts.

[Wedge]

You're complaining about spawn camping.... on Steel?  A map that has like 20 exits from your spawn?  GTFO.

[KarthXLR]

Forget it, people obviously don't understand that we look down on this type of thing. Screw it, no one listens, this community is slowly dying, drama drama drama drama.

[Blues]

edited my post to clarify that you were probably in the less intelligent part of the team if you let it happen.

Sorry to say it, but skillwise, there's nothing overly amazing about any of the people you listed. They're good, but the key is that they fucking work together instead of playing Counterstrike Fortress 2.