Rotation Shake-Up

[Versus]

Karrde link=topic=5374.msg193204#msg193204 date=1295664650]
Hopefully this will also fix the bullshit 18 dmg crit shots with the frontier justice.

who's our gsp again?

[liquid108]

[quote author=[fr31ns]Karrde link=topic=5374.msg193204#msg193204 date=1295664650]
Hopefully this will also fix the bullshit 18 dmg crit shots with the frontier justice.

who's our gsp again?
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man i look so bad in that pic

[TOH]

[quote author=TOH link=topic=5374.msg193052#msg193052 date=1295579883]
[quote author=Live-Free-Or-Pie link=topic=5374.msg193026#msg193026 date=1295570598]
My thoughts:

- KEEP THE CRITS on both servers, the game was designed for random crits and random crits break stalemates, random crits increase chaos, chaos is fun (except for hats)
- Keep RTV on both servers
- Extend last map RTVs to 6
- End the practice of stopping maps mid-round to switch one the overall map timer runs.
- Put stocks at the end of nominate list

Yeah, those are exactly my thoughts, especially the mid-round time limits stopping games. I've been in some great battles that get ruined over the time limit. If this needs to change so the maps change more frequently when empty to attract players, then maybe it could be made conditional based on the number of players already there? Like...if there's more than 8 or 10 or so, don't enforce the time limit stoppage?
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Find me the cvar, I think its embedded into the map
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I see a few, can't get any definitions since Sourcemod's site just came back up, but...

mp_match_end_at_timelimit
mp_stalemate_timelimit
mp_timelimit

Hope that helps.

[Kor]

Red:
- Removal of Random Crits  = No dice. We're about bullshitting around while we play and turn them off works against the spirit of the game. Generally speaking, the only people that prefer no crits are League-play allstars looking for the consistent kill pattern and repetition ad infinitum.
- Stocks at back of nomination list = Red has always been a custom server, but stocks can be crowd pleasers and seeders.
- Stocks removed from nomination list = No need, for above mentioned reasons.
- Removal of random pellet spread = I say give it a test drive for a month, there are reasons for and against that are similar to crits, but its more frustrating to get a bad spread on the shotgun than dying to a crit.
- RTV "Last maps" limit increased from current to 6 (You can not rtv to the previous 6 maps played) = Perfect way to avoid PL mania.

As for the rotations, you can get all the feedback you need on what's hot or not from the gameservers stat tracking, if I'm recalling correctly. Generally though, I prefer a cyclic balance between gametypes. If we're really looking for rotation stability dictated by who's on the server, I know there's SM mods out there that do map votes minutes before the map ends.

Additionally about mods, if we want to keep the games as fresh as possible, I know of team-balancing mods out there that swap people based on a simple numerical algorithm. I'd also recommend changing the map timeouts if possible. I'm not sure if it's based on cvars or map triggers, but winning/losing to map timeouts are about the biggest buzzkiller/4th wall breaker going. All this really is doing is putting SM to work in maintaining a population, rather just as an admin platform. We appear to hold onto more than a few folks for a few maps, but there's always a few problems like the above mentioned that causes them to look elsewhere.

[Versus]

Generally speaking, the only people that prefer no crits are League-play allstars looking for the consistent kill pattern and repetition ad infinitum.

yeah ok

[beep beep diglett]

bind a key to suicide, press that once or twice a game. there you go, random crits

[[fr31ns]Karrde]

Random crits irritate me to no end, but I also agree with kor.

[beep beep diglett]

yeah i like to be irritated and perhaps sometimes angered when im bsing with friends, it keeps the chat jumping from topic to topic

[LV15GAMER]

yea pretty much agree with kor but I dont find crits annoying for general gameplay. I guess we could try out the no pellet spread see if scoots with shortstop become even more rape.

ps, add lolcano

[Didzo]

ps, add lolcano

[Versus]

why does everyone think "no pellet spread" means shotguns will suddenly become much more deadly? it's not "no pellet spread", it means that pellets will always distribute the same way.

[Negate]

why does everyone think "no pellet spread" means shotguns will suddenly become much more deadly? it's not "no pellet spread", it means that pellets will always distribute the same way.

I dunno I just want aiming to be consistent nothing says FU like all the pellets scrambling a different way each time so any gun with spread is aim able.

[k0ala]

[quote author=LV15GAMER link=topic=5374.msg193316#msg193316 date=1295771592]
ps, add lolcano

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[[fr31ns]Karrde]

[quote author=Didzo link=topic=5374.msg193317#msg193317 date=1295773987]
[quote author=LV15GAMER link=topic=5374.msg193316#msg193316 date=1295771592]
ps, add lolcano

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At least for vote.  It's the best koth map evar.  And actually one of the better gameplay ones.  Only thing I'd do is add a few more things to obscure sniper's view from spawn and take down the barriers blocking each sides' up top SG nests.

[Benito Mussolini]

[quote author=Versus-pwny- link=topic=5374.msg193338#msg193338 date=1295807010]
why does everyone think "no pellet spread" means shotguns will suddenly become much more deadly? it's not "no pellet spread", it means that pellets will always distribute the same way.

I dunno I just want aiming to be consistent nothing says FU like all the pellets scrambling a different way each time so any gun with spread is aim able.
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Without the random spread, you'll seem to actually hit your targets more often, but you'll find yourself dealing a bit less damage than you used to. It really doesn't make that much of a difference: a meat shot is still a meat shot and a random hit from very far will still be a pretty lucky hit.

I really don't care whether random spread/random crits are on or off, as it's the same for everyone; but I feel that everyone will think that they'll automatically play better if there is nothing random in this game, when I think it's actually the opposite.

[K2]

If it were possible, I actually wouldn't mind if we could keep just random melee crits on, since melee fights are ridiculous enough that I don't expect them to be fair or balanced.

[CaffeinePowered]

Changes Implemented
- New Scramble Plugin - http://forums.alliedmods.net/showthread.php?p=737572 - !votescramble (Admins: !scramblenow) - The old version is still available as well
- Map voting list set to straight alphabetical order, there will be no clump, beginning or end
- Damage & Pellet Spread off on Blue
- Pellet Spread off on Red
- CTF Crit On Capture off on Blue
- Last 4 maps excluded from RTV
- koth_lolcano_b2 added to vote on Red
- Red now restarts to badwater instead of 2fort
- Arena removed from RTV on Red

Red's Rotation:
pl_badwater
cp_indulge
cp_gorge
pl_frontier
ctf_haarp_test7b
cp_gravelpit
pl_cashworks_rc2
cp_badlands
ctf_snowdrift_b3
pl_upward
ctf_landfall_rc
cp_egypt_final
pl_boundary_rc3


Blue Rotation:

cp_dustbowl
pl_badwater
cp_gorge
cp_well
pl_upward
cp_badlands
pl_goldrush
cp_granary
cp_yukon_final

Changes Unable To Implement
- Map ends on timelimit, I found a cvar, but we already have it on  :'( - mp_match_end_at_timelimit
- Runoff RTV - Can not find a plugin, if someone would kindly google-fu this I'll put it on
- A rotation no one will complain about


Other Things Under Consideration
- End of Map Vote - We tried this once but the problem was it would pick from the RTV list, so sometimes you'd end up with a server full of pubbies and 6 custom maps, however sourcemod's RTV now will only pick maps from rotation unless something is nominated, so we could give this a whirl in the next two weeks, I'd like to see how this new rotation pans out first
- Other Plugins - Please link below if you have anything good for sourcemod

[Versus]

sounds pretty good ;D

[backfire]

Yep, don't really have a problem with anything there. Rotation sounds solid too.

[ZargonX]

Lookin' good.