joker vs joker

[Dave]

brothers grimm was shit.

[KarthXLR]

Ledger. By a mile. Not even in question.

[quote author=fyre link=topic=2354.msg67200#msg67200 date=1234840763]
On a similar note, I recently rewatched Batman Begins and I think it might be a better film than TDK.

It is.

fuck you he was awesome in lords of dogtown and the brothers grimm

10 Things I Hate About You.

I think both play a very different joker and both actors do a superb job in their respective roles, comparing them is like apples and oranges

Bullshit. If you're playing it like that, you may as well rule out ever having discussions about acting merit. De Niro and Pacino are the names that always seem to come up in these debates but they have have never played the same role so clearly you can't even compare their talent.
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someone doesn't like other's opinions.

[Surf314]

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I think both play a very different joker and both actors do a superb job in their respective roles, comparing them is like apples and oranges

Bullshit. If you're playing it like that, you may as well rule out ever having discussions about acting merit. De Niro and Pacino are the names that always seem to come up in these debates but they have have never played the same role so clearly you can't even compare their talent.
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Actually there is merit in caff's post.  The original batman movies were based on the TV show, which is why they got campier and campier.  The new ones are very faithful to the comic.

In the original movies jokers role is a goofy homocidal maniac.  A scary clown with some camp.  The new role is one of being unleashed chaos.  Dangerous and unpredictable.  So you are comparing almost two different characters.

Also it's a bit unfair to Nicholson because the role of Joker is far more important in the comics/new movies.  He is the perfect opposite to batman because batman is rage and turmoil confined and made orderly.  The joker is that fury unleashed.  The batman is extremely focused while the joker is a danger to anyone.  The joker is supposed to serve as a constant reminder as why batman has all these self imposed rules.  Like why he doesn't kill any villians when he knows they are just going to escape and do more harm.  Because if batman slips he becomes joker.

Also that's jokers main mission, to make batman slip and lose himself.  It's like an intense war of psychological problems that the characters feed off each other.  When you compare roles like that it's just no contest.  There is so much more depth there.

[Dave]

[quote author=Arnie's Right Bicep link=topic=2354.msg67230#msg67230 date=1234860089]
Ledger. By a mile. Not even in question.

[quote author=fyre link=topic=2354.msg67200#msg67200 date=1234840763]
On a similar note, I recently rewatched Batman Begins and I think it might be a better film than TDK.

It is.

fuck you he was awesome in lords of dogtown and the brothers grimm

10 Things I Hate About You.

I think both play a very different joker and both actors do a superb job in their respective roles, comparing them is like apples and oranges

Bullshit. If you're playing it like that, you may as well rule out ever having discussions about acting merit. De Niro and Pacino are the names that always seem to come up in these debates but they have have never played the same role so clearly you can't even compare their talent.
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someone doesn't like other's opinions.
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said the devout christian.

[Scary Womanizing Pig Mask]

[quote author=Ye Salty Karth link=topic=2354.msg67342#msg67342 date=1234915594]
[quote author=Arnie's Right Bicep link=topic=2354.msg67230#msg67230 date=1234860089]
Ledger. By a mile. Not even in question.

[quote author=fyre link=topic=2354.msg67200#msg67200 date=1234840763]
On a similar note, I recently rewatched Batman Begins and I think it might be a better film than TDK.

It is.

fuck you he was awesome in lords of dogtown and the brothers grimm

10 Things I Hate About You.

I think both play a very different joker and both actors do a superb job in their respective roles, comparing them is like apples and oranges

Bullshit. If you're playing it like that, you may as well rule out ever having discussions about acting merit. De Niro and Pacino are the names that always seem to come up in these debates but they have have never played the same role so clearly you can't even compare their talent.
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someone doesn't like other's opinions.
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said the devout christian.
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[Versus]

[quote author=Ye Salty Karth link=topic=2354.msg67342#msg67342 date=1234915594]
[quote author=Arnie's Right Bicep link=topic=2354.msg67230#msg67230 date=1234860089]
Ledger. By a mile. Not even in question.

[quote author=fyre link=topic=2354.msg67200#msg67200 date=1234840763]
On a similar note, I recently rewatched Batman Begins and I think it might be a better film than TDK.

It is.

fuck you he was awesome in lords of dogtown and the brothers grimm

10 Things I Hate About You.

I think both play a very different joker and both actors do a superb job in their respective roles, comparing them is like apples and oranges

Bullshit. If you're playing it like that, you may as well rule out ever having discussions about acting merit. De Niro and Pacino are the names that always seem to come up in these debates but they have have never played the same role so clearly you can't even compare their talent.
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someone doesn't like other's opinions.
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said the devout christian.
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said dave.

[HeK]

Cesar Romero

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[ScottyGrayskull]

Cesar Romero

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Nicely played.

[Honest]

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[quote author=Ye Salty Karth link=topic=2354.msg67342#msg67342 date=1234915594]
[quote author=Arnie's Right Bicep link=topic=2354.msg67230#msg67230 date=1234860089]
Ledger. By a mile. Not even in question.

[quote author=fyre link=topic=2354.msg67200#msg67200 date=1234840763]
On a similar note, I recently rewatched Batman Begins and I think it might be a better film than TDK.

It is.

fuck you he was awesome in lords of dogtown and the brothers grimm

10 Things I Hate About You.

I think both play a very different joker and both actors do a superb job in their respective roles, comparing them is like apples and oranges

Bullshit. If you're playing it like that, you may as well rule out ever having discussions about acting merit. De Niro and Pacino are the names that always seem to come up in these debates but they have have never played the same role so clearly you can't even compare their talent.
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someone doesn't like other's opinions.
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said the devout christian.
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God damnit not again. Grab your umbrella's kids, the weatherman said there's a 100% chance of a shitstorm.

[ScottyGrayskull]

God damnit not again. Grab your umbrella's kids, the weatherman said there's a 100% chance of a shitstorm.

Almost worth it for the Peanuts picture (+1 for that btw), but yeah... stop that right now.

[x]

someone doesn't like other's opinions.

I agreed with Fyre and Squishy and tried to constructively counter Caff's point. Fuck off you prick.

In the original movies jokers role is a goofy homocidal maniac.  A scary clown with some camp.  The new role is one of being unleashed chaos.  Dangerous and unpredictable.  So you are comparing almost two different characters.

I've read the comics 

I'm not sure as to the relevancy of your post. You say that there is merit in Caff's thinking that comparing the two is futile and then you go on to compare the two and declare a victor?

Cesar Romero

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Really though? Someone always brings him up in these discussions and the old shows were kind of fun but do you actually think he was a better Joker?

[Surf314]

[quote author=Surf314 link=topic=2354.msg67346#msg67346 date=1234917637]
In the original movies jokers role is a goofy homocidal maniac.  A scary clown with some camp.  The new role is one of being unleashed chaos.  Dangerous and unpredictable.  So you are comparing almost two different characters.

I've read the comics 

I'm not sure as to the relevancy of your post. You say that there is merit in Caff's thinking that comparing the two is futile and then you go on to compare the two and declare a victor?
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No I just mean you are comparing two different personas.  Not just actor created but director/producer mandated so you can't blame it on Nicholson.  And if you did want to compare them Ledger gets an automatic leg up because the version of the character he was presented to create is far better.

The joker character as originally developed was no where near worth an Oscar nod no matter how well played, this joker definately is.  Whether or not Nicholson could have done it can't be answered unless you give him a better character to work with.  A fairer comparison would almost be Nicholson in The Shining vs. Ledger as Joker.

[CaffeinePowered]

A fairer comparison would almost be Nicholson in The Shining vs. Ledger as Joker.

I agree with this statement, I also think you need to break down the argument, are you comapring the joker the character in each of the movies or *how well* the actor portrayed that character.

I think that as far as characters go they are apples and oranges, and both actors did a great job of portraying them. The joker ledger played had much more time devoted to him and it shows, hence the awards. But that's more a decision on the part of the writer/director than the actor.

[KarthXLR]

To be Honest, I don't think they can be compared. They're two completely different Jokers.

Personally, I liked Heath Ledger better, but then again, I thought Tim Burton's Batman wasn't all that amazing. So it really falls down to which movie you liked better.


also f u Budr and Dave.

[Dave]

To be Honest, I don't think they can be compared. They're two completely different Jokers.

Personally, I liked Heath Ledger better, but then again, I thought Tim Burton's Batman wasn't all that amazing. So it really falls down to which movie you liked better.


also f u Budr and Dave.

f u america

[KarthXLR]

[quote author=Ye Salty Karth link=topic=2354.msg67501#msg67501 date=1234994448]
To be Honest, I don't think they can be compared. They're two completely different Jokers.

Personally, I liked Heath Ledger better, but then again, I thought Tim Burton's Batman wasn't all that amazing. So it really falls down to which movie you liked better.


also f u Budr and Dave.

f u america
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F U ECONOMY AND YOUR EDUCATION CUTS!

thanks dave

[Dave]

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[quote author=Ye Salty Karth link=topic=2354.msg67501#msg67501 date=1234994448]
To be Honest, I don't think they can be compared. They're two completely different Jokers.

Personally, I liked Heath Ledger better, but then again, I thought Tim Burton's Batman wasn't all that amazing. So it really falls down to which movie you liked better.


also f u Budr and Dave.

f u america
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F U ECONOMY AND YOUR EDUCATION CUTS!

thanks dave
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no probs doodle.

[HeK]

[quote author=HeK link=topic=2354.msg67384#msg67384 date=1234928350]
Cesar Romero

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Really though? Someone always brings him up in these discussions and the old shows were kind of fun but do you actually think he was a better Joker?
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That was my vague attempt at being an ass. The old shows were campy as shit, but at least Cesar looked the part.

Also, points to anyone who actually knew who that is without having to Google his name.

[KarthXLR]

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[quote author=HeK link=topic=2354.msg67384#msg67384 date=1234928350]
Cesar Romero

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Really though? Someone always brings him up in these discussions and the old shows were kind of fun but do you actually think he was a better Joker?
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That was my vague attempt at being an ass. The old shows were campy as shit, but at least Cesar looked the part.

Also, points to anyone who actually knew who that is without having to Google his name.
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memememe

[ToiletDuck]

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