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[Surf314]

The update will force demos to get skills using the normal nades again instead of relying on stickies for everything.

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[quote author=Eschatos link=topic=1960.msg54930#msg54930 date=1229100178]
You could always just shoot them out of the way. 

In a corridor, nope, if you stuck 8 of them in a tight hallway you are fucked, you can knock them down the hall as you advance but the blast radius is such that you are going to get hit no matter what.
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Any decently designed map will have more than one route to anywhere important, ubers can easily get past stickies, and if the demoman isn't around you can just walk over them.  If he is around then shoot him.
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Do you expect people to just turn around and walk across the map to the other tunnel, yea, thats smart, and gives the demo the power to completely close off a choke point.

I think you paint too simple of a picture.

[Eschatos]

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[quote author=CaffeinePowered link=topic=1960.msg54932#msg54932 date=1229101091]
[quote author=Eschatos link=topic=1960.msg54930#msg54930 date=1229100178]
You could always just shoot them out of the way. 

In a corridor, nope, if you stuck 8 of them in a tight hallway you are fucked, you can knock them down the hall as you advance but the blast radius is such that you are going to get hit no matter what.
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Any decently designed map will have more than one route to anywhere important, ubers can easily get past stickies, and if the demoman isn't around you can just walk over them.  If he is around then shoot him.
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Do you expect people to just turn around and walk across the map to the other tunnel, yea, thats smart, and gives the demo the power to completely close off a choke point.

I think you paint too simple of a picture.
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I think you paint too complex of a picture.

[rumsfald]

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I think you paint too simple of a picture.

I think you paint too complex of a picture.
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Eschatos =

What the shit happened about that Bob Ross game for the Wii?

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[quote author=rumsfald link=topic=1960.msg54950#msg54950 date=1229103933]
Eschatos =

What the shit happened about that Bob Ross game for the Wii?
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IP Limbo

[Honest]

I've got to try this later today, but as far as I'm concerned right now this doesn't nerf anything not worth nerfing and we're all throwing a world class hissy for nothing.

Unless stickies are easily shot away during an uber, I'm perfectly ok with this fix. Someone enlighten me on whether or not he can still wreck sentries.

[Vongore]

also, Dispensers are as weak as ever, so with just some good placed Stickies you can blow the Dispenser and the Engie to take out the Sentry later.

Also, does everyone have been noticying the increase on lvl 1 sentries all over the place because most engiers are way too busy upgrading their Dispensers and Teleporters?

[Surf314]

Secret engy nerf!

[Ianki]

Secret engy nerf!

wut?

[copulatingduck]

Nothing's changed at all, though I do see a lot of retard showing in this thread. Demo got a much needed nerf (though not the same one everyone cries about). Being able to spam stickies, completely locking down a thoroughfare and guaranteeing either a completely wasted uber or at least 1 kill is something absolutely no other class had. This takes just a little but of that away. (For the record, this is why Demo's ALWAYS won RPS matches... spamming stickies on the ground guarantees kills, especially in ridiculous quantities)

edit: was gonna say a lot more, but it's too late, I'm too tired, and some people are just too dumb to talk to. My only complaint to come out of the update is the fact that SWEET JESUS 12 ENGIES ON DUSTBOWL AND GRAVELPIT DEFENSE, REALLY?

[Benito Mussolini]

[quote author=Surf314 link=topic=1960.msg54960#msg54960 date=1229108496]
Secret engy nerf!

wut?
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The update is making the engineers more stupid is what he said (actually, the stupid ones are more stupid, the update buffs the other engies).

Nothing's changed at all, though I do see a lot of retard showing in this thread.

Tssssss

3rd level Dispencer makes quite a difference.

ALSO
A spy stays cloaked FOREVER near a dispenser now.

[Honest]

ALSO
A spy stays cloaked FOREVER near a dispencer now.

No it doesn't.

[Benito Mussolini]

[quote author=Benito Mussolini link=topic=1960.msg54966#msg54966 date=1229109701]
ALSO
A spy stays cloaked FOREVER near a dispenser now.

No it doesn't.
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YES IT DOES

[copulatingduck]

[quote author=Benito Mussolini link=topic=1960.msg54966#msg54966 date=1229109701]
ALSO
A spy stays cloaked FOREVER near a dispencer now.

No it doesn't.
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He *could* stay cloaked forever, but the healing trail shows as well as a small glow. Honestly, if you can manage to pull it off, the other team should just kill themselves, they are that bad.

[[fr31ns]Karrde]

I've got some sad news to share about this update.  I think we can all agree that this is absolutely game breaking and was probably directly targeted at brbu.  The "explode" command no longer works.  No more rocket jumping and jibbing myself in a bloody rain at the end of the round.  You just die.  So at least I can still fall down the stairs  But seriously, did they really need to remove the command that badly

[Benito Mussolini]

Karrde link=topic=1960.msg54981#msg54981 date=1229110231]
I've got some sad news to share about this update.  I think we can all agree that this is absolutely game breaking and was probably directly targeted at brbu.  The "explode" command no longer works.  No more rocket jumping and jibbing myself in a bloody rain at the end of the round.  You just die.  So at least I can still fall down the stairs  But seriously, did they really need to remove the command that badly

That, sir, is the worst news ever :'( :'( :'(

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[quote author=Benito Mussolini link=topic=1960.msg54966#msg54966 date=1229109701]
ALSO
A spy stays cloaked FOREVER near a dispencer now.

No it doesn't.
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He *could* stay cloaked forever, but the healing trail shows as well as a small glow. Honestly, if you can manage to pull it off, the other team should just kill themselves, they are that bad.
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Manage to cloak near a lvl3 dispenser and you'll regenerate your cloak.
Manage to disguise near a dispenser, and you'll regenerate your cloak really fast.

Therefore, engineer leaving a dispenser alone means a happy spy!

[[fr31ns]Karrde]

Of course this spy buff is still prolly gonna leave me a terrible spy

[Honest]

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[quote author=Benito Mussolini link=topic=1960.msg54966#msg54966 date=1229109701]
ALSO
A spy stays cloaked FOREVER near a dispenser now.

No it doesn't.
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YES IT DOES
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I just went to check and you are right, I was misinformed and took lots of pictures to prove that guy wrong.

It just makes the spy obvious as hell.

[chronomaster]

Next Demo nerf: Pipes won't explode on contact after the zeroth bounce. :V

But seriously, I'm cool with stickies being destructible, just not after ONE FUCKING BULLET. If they're in a tight corridor, it shouldn't take two shotgun shots to knock them down in 3 seconds.

It's called a chokepoint for a reason. It should deter and slow you down when properly defended, even with threats.


The Lv3 Dispenser/Sentry combo is even more of a cockpunch to the Demoman. Engis can shoot the stickies faster than Demos can lay them.